United v. Spirit
06-26-2021 | 06:57 AM
#131
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Good friend of mine is a CA and loves the life at NK. I’m at UA and enjoy the WB Intl. life. His eyes did almost pop out of his head when we compared 401k’s and company match. Don’t know anything about what NK offers, so only going by what he told me.
06-26-2021 | 09:02 AM
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NK gives 15% per year.
06-26-2021 | 07:03 PM
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That’s also not factual; a brief search of airline profiles will yield a couple that have lower rates in pretty short order. I’m topped out on our rates and find I’m not beaten “by far” by my buddies at other LLCs/legacies. In fact, I’m kinda right on par with a couple. We’re behind on our rates a bit, sure, and we need to fix the steep slope. Our retirement does go to 15% in 9 months, which is not leading and should be taken care of in pattern bargaining. But suggesting we’re all “by far” under-compensated is not factual nor genuine. If we want the company to be honest with us we should at least be honest with ourselves.
06-26-2021 | 07:59 PM
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United v. Spirit
Perhaps he is referring to pay at his longevity compared to his peers. He might be a 7 year NK Captain at $220 an hour; while Captain peers at equal longevity are $264-273 per hour.
Like you said, the slope does flatten at the top longevities bringing us closer to our peers at year 12.
FO pay is even further behind most of the upper tier airlines. I guess that’s why we are “ low tier”.
Everyone make sure to take the negotiating survey before June 28.
Like you said, the slope does flatten at the top longevities bringing us closer to our peers at year 12.
FO pay is even further behind most of the upper tier airlines. I guess that’s why we are “ low tier”.
Everyone make sure to take the negotiating survey before June 28.
Last edited by GWY320; 06-26-2021 at 08:11 PM.
06-29-2021 | 09:07 AM
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beyond 300?
United just placed an aircraft order to expand by 200 airframe, and Southwest CEO says they are also looking to grow. What do we think the chances are that Spirit will grow beyond the current aircraft order?
06-29-2021 | 09:18 AM
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I would almost gurentee it. We’re a growth airline just like southwest is.
06-29-2021 | 09:39 AM
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Spirit plans to recover 2019 capacity by the year-end and then continue growing in 2022. It has some exciting plans in terms of fleet strategy and future growth. “We’re going to double over the next five years,” said Christie. “We have around 160 aircraft today and another 160 or so on order. Those aircraft are going to get deployed and we see a massive opportunity for them. As far as the fleet strategy goes, one of the hallmarks of being efficient and low-cost is we can keep a lot of things simple, and that means keeping the aircraft simple.”
My take is plenty of time to grow. Let’s concentrate on the huge task of “doubling over the next 5 years” and try to get that right. That’s 5000 pilots
06-29-2021 | 11:32 AM
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From the recent conference…
Spirit plans to recover 2019 capacity by the year-end and then continue growing in 2022. It has some exciting plans in terms of fleet strategy and future growth. “We’re going to double over the next five years,” said Christie. “We have around 160 aircraft today and another 160 or so on order. Those aircraft are going to get deployed and we see a massive opportunity for them. As far as the fleet strategy goes, one of the hallmarks of being efficient and low-cost is we can keep a lot of things simple, and that means keeping the aircraft simple.”
My take is plenty of time to grow. Let’s concentrate on the huge task of “doubling over the next 5 years” and try to get that right. That’s 5000 pilots
Spirit plans to recover 2019 capacity by the year-end and then continue growing in 2022. It has some exciting plans in terms of fleet strategy and future growth. “We’re going to double over the next five years,” said Christie. “We have around 160 aircraft today and another 160 or so on order. Those aircraft are going to get deployed and we see a massive opportunity for them. As far as the fleet strategy goes, one of the hallmarks of being efficient and low-cost is we can keep a lot of things simple, and that means keeping the aircraft simple.”
My take is plenty of time to grow. Let’s concentrate on the huge task of “doubling over the next 5 years” and try to get that right. That’s 5000 pilots
Great read…..
I think we need to focus on the short term issues…
We can’t grow if we don’t have the infrastructure to do so.. aka ramp agents ops personnel etc..
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