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Old 05-11-2022 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984
I don’t think the company cares either way. They seem to have checked out and are just waiting for their buyout package.
THIS^^^^^^

Nothing is going to change much until we put this sale/merger/acquisition behind us. It’s sort of a rudderless ship right now.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Nothing is going to change much until we put this sale/merger/acquisition behind us. It’s sort of a rudderless ship right now.
At least with Frontier it'll probably be as easy of a transition as anyone could hope for.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 08:18 AM
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Email from the union is out. 74 hired in April, 23 left for other airlines, 7 additional lost, net gain of 44.

For 2022, 284 hired, for a net gain of 122 pilots after attrition.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
Email from the union is out. 74 hired in April, 23 left for other airlines, 7 additional lost, net gain of 44.

For 2022, 284 hired, for a net gain of 122 pilots after attrition.
Attrition is coming down.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
Email from the union is out. 74 hired in April, 23 left for other airlines, 7 additional lost, net gain of 44.

For 2022, 284 hired, for a net gain of 122 pilots after attrition.
The one guy who left to B6 obviously isn’t a fan of DOH SLI….
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Old 05-11-2022 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Attrition is coming down.
Guess that leverage is gone. I hope we somehow took advantage of it behind the scenes.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by onedolla
Guess that leverage is gone. I hope we somehow took advantage of it behind the scenes.
AFAIK, all the majors are still hiring like crazy, so probably just variance, but they're still training close to double the amount they are gaining. It isn't sustainable, especially if a decent percentage of those people are leaving in under a year.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 01:51 PM
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I'm not entirely sure why anyone thinks attrition is a leverage tool for spirit pilots. If anything it's a leverage tool for spirit management. With training pay where it is and first year pay what it is, they couldn't be happier for people leaving. The more senior the better

The legacies pay 90+ an hour from day one, we pay 50whatever from day 91-365

If we were to absorb training pay into first year pay our actual rate is more like 46 dollars an hour. It's an embarrassment. Management HOPES people leave. Honestly.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
I'm not entirely sure why anyone thinks attrition is a leverage tool for spirit pilots. If anything it's a leverage tool for spirit management. With training pay where it is and first year pay what it is, they couldn't be happier for people leaving. The more senior the better

The legacies pay 90+ an hour from day one, we pay 50whatever from day 91-365

If we were to absorb training pay into first year pay our actual rate is more like 46 dollars an hour. It's an embarrassment. Management HOPES people leave. Honestly.
It costs the company a lot to have a constant churn. They're having to cut the schedule due to staffing, and we can't upgrade enough people to fly the new planes coming online. They are also buying more training devices and sims. For now, they are able to stay afloat by hiring over attrition, but that isn't sustainable at all.
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Old 05-11-2022 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
It costs the company a lot to have a constant churn. They're having to cut the schedule due to staffing, and we can't upgrade enough people to fly the new planes coming online. They are also buying more training devices and sims. For now, they are able to stay afloat by hiring over attrition, but that isn't sustainable at all.
Which is why first year pay isn’t the problem. We don’t have an issue hiring pilots, plenty of bushy eyed 1500 pilots on the next thread. Retention could bethe issue. As long as people show up to indoc, Spirit is happy.

We lost 30 pilots last month and it looks like 23 were way of resignation to another airline and 7 to training. That isn’t enough to move the needle. Retention or acquisition isn’t the issue as of now.
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