Attrition
06-13-2022 | 05:44 AM
#1341
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ya, buy NK and park older plans while accelerating the 190 going away. Now they are staffed accordingly.
06-13-2022 | 05:52 AM
#1342
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I swear some of y’all have never worked at an airline before. Plans change DAILY. it sucks getting displaced. I get it. I commuted for 12 years. Bet 95% of you have no idea we opened and closed LGA and SJU crew bases in the late 2000’s within a 12 month period. Point is, again, plans change daily. Because they say their gonna downsize doesn’t mean they will OR it will stay that way. Hang in there.
06-13-2022 | 06:43 AM
#1343
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I swear some of y’all have never worked at an airline before. Plans change DAILY. it sucks getting displaced. I get it. I commuted for 12 years. Bet 95% of you have no idea we opened and closed LGA and SJU crew bases in the late 2000’s within a 12 month period. Point is, again, plans change daily. Because they say their gonna downsize doesn’t mean they will OR it will stay that way. Hang in there.
Ben was quirky but he at least understood what ULCC meant and how how to make money with it (pushing the planes too far at time).
Bob was vanilla, pun intended, but realized that we can’t continue to **** of customers if we want to grow, he left the company in the best position it has ever been.
And then comes Teddy who “over shot his skis” his first summer here and it’s been meltdown after meltdown since. The reality seems to be this management team has zero direction and their attention can be derailed with a squirrel running past them, followed by a “wait, what are we doing?!” 50 minute turns with security checks and crew changes continue to put us behind, lack of accountability for anyone not called CA or FO is astounding, and a scheduling system that still works from home so that a scheduler is now more concerned with fixing their toddler a PBJ instead of getting a crew a hotel room. We really are rudderless with this crew at the top and look forward to a flush of all of them when this merger gets resolved.
06-13-2022 | 07:18 AM
#1345
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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard
I agree. I’ll say this, as someone who remembers the LGA and SJU base; I’ve never had less confidence in the management team as I do now.
Ben was quirky but he at least understood what ULCC meant and how how to make money with it (pushing the planes too far at time).
Bob was vanilla, pun intended, but realized that we can’t continue to **** of customers if we want to grow, he left the company in the best position it has ever been.
And then comes Teddy who “over shot his skis” his first summer here and it’s been meltdown after meltdown since. The reality seems to be this management team has zero direction and their attention can be derailed with a squirrel running past them, followed by a “wait, what are we doing?!” 50 minute turns with security checks and crew changes continue to put us behind, lack of accountability for anyone not called CA or FO is astounding, and a scheduling system that still works from home so that a scheduler is now more concerned with fixing their toddler a PBJ instead of getting a crew a hotel room. We really are rudderless with this crew at the top and look forward to a flush of all of them when this merger gets resolved.
Ben was quirky but he at least understood what ULCC meant and how how to make money with it (pushing the planes too far at time).
Bob was vanilla, pun intended, but realized that we can’t continue to **** of customers if we want to grow, he left the company in the best position it has ever been.
And then comes Teddy who “over shot his skis” his first summer here and it’s been meltdown after meltdown since. The reality seems to be this management team has zero direction and their attention can be derailed with a squirrel running past them, followed by a “wait, what are we doing?!” 50 minute turns with security checks and crew changes continue to put us behind, lack of accountability for anyone not called CA or FO is astounding, and a scheduling system that still works from home so that a scheduler is now more concerned with fixing their toddler a PBJ instead of getting a crew a hotel room. We really are rudderless with this crew at the top and look forward to a flush of all of them when this merger gets resolved.
Well written post and all but I am going to have to disagree. The company is already using the planes optimally with stupid penalty lap turns at the beginning and end of a lot of sequences. If they reduce those, they still need pilots to fly them so it doesn't solve the issue of having enough reserve to cover any mishaps. At least out west they are handing out X-list trips like candy. Have an FO buddy get called and had 8 choices of X-list trips to choose from last week, on just one day.
If they reduce flying frequency and routes, I can see your point, but I don't see them doing that at either due to lost revenue and that problem only gets worse with more aircraft arriving. It just feels like we are always riding the razors edge in terms of available reserves and it's only a matter of time before things come unhinged. This last weekend was a sign of the times to come I think. The way I see it is they only have a few options:
1. Slow deliveries/Park aircraft like the 319's
2. Route reductions/Frequency reductions
3. Slow attrition/increase hiring pilots that will want to stay.
4. Bury their heads in the sand, claim no problems, have huge meltdowns this summer, have Bendo IROP emails every week, say they have the problem solved and pass this monster onto the next management team. (this being the option we all know they will take).
It just sucks as I actually believe we have a really great pilot group, one of the better FA groups, great mechanics in most places and they all have to suffer because the management here is inept or unwilling to solve the actual problems.
If they reduce flying frequency and routes, I can see your point, but I don't see them doing that at either due to lost revenue and that problem only gets worse with more aircraft arriving. It just feels like we are always riding the razors edge in terms of available reserves and it's only a matter of time before things come unhinged. This last weekend was a sign of the times to come I think. The way I see it is they only have a few options:
1. Slow deliveries/Park aircraft like the 319's
2. Route reductions/Frequency reductions
3. Slow attrition/increase hiring pilots that will want to stay.
4. Bury their heads in the sand, claim no problems, have huge meltdowns this summer, have Bendo IROP emails every week, say they have the problem solved and pass this monster onto the next management team. (this being the option we all know they will take).
It just sucks as I actually believe we have a really great pilot group, one of the better FA groups, great mechanics in most places and they all have to suffer because the management here is inept or unwilling to solve the actual problems.
I will take option 4, for $500, Alex.
I probably would like Ted as a person over Ben and Bob, but I am not looking for a beer buddy.
06-13-2022 | 07:28 AM
#1346
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I agree. I’ll say this, as someone who remembers the LGA and SJU base; I’ve never had less confidence in the management team as I do now.
Ben was quirky but he at least understood what ULCC meant and how how to make money with it (pushing the planes too far at time).
Bob was vanilla, pun intended, but realized that we can’t continue to **** of customers if we want to grow, he left the company in the best position it has ever been.
And then comes Teddy who “over shot his skis” his first summer here and it’s been meltdown after meltdown since. The reality seems to be this management team has zero direction and their attention can be derailed with a squirrel running past them, followed by a “wait, what are we doing?!” 50 minute turns with security checks and crew changes continue to put us behind, lack of accountability for anyone not called CA or FO is astounding, and a scheduling system that still works from home so that a scheduler is now more concerned with fixing their toddler a PBJ instead of getting a crew a hotel room. We really are rudderless with this crew at the top and look forward to a flush of all of them when this merger gets resolved.
Ben was quirky but he at least understood what ULCC meant and how how to make money with it (pushing the planes too far at time).
Bob was vanilla, pun intended, but realized that we can’t continue to **** of customers if we want to grow, he left the company in the best position it has ever been.
And then comes Teddy who “over shot his skis” his first summer here and it’s been meltdown after meltdown since. The reality seems to be this management team has zero direction and their attention can be derailed with a squirrel running past them, followed by a “wait, what are we doing?!” 50 minute turns with security checks and crew changes continue to put us behind, lack of accountability for anyone not called CA or FO is astounding, and a scheduling system that still works from home so that a scheduler is now more concerned with fixing their toddler a PBJ instead of getting a crew a hotel room. We really are rudderless with this crew at the top and look forward to a flush of all of them when this merger gets resolved.
I couldn’t agree with you more. Our mgmt has no interest in running an airline nor can they. Had a conversation with a good friend of mine that’s also a 15+ year guy. Without F9 or B6 I’m very concerned about our success as a stand alone carrier. (If DOJ blocks a merger) This is the worst it’s been in 15+ years and there is no solution in sight. I will say in mgmt defense, every airline is having the same issues we are. Are they as bad? Maybe. I don’t know.
Just had a conversation with a guy I know who’s son is building a house. Will take 18 months to build. Contractor is saying the subs will only work 25 hours a week. Anymore than that and they won’t get their govt check. That’s probably the underlying issue is people don’t want to work. That’s mgmt’s job to figure out a solution and they have failed.
06-13-2022 | 08:07 AM
#1347
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I couldn’t agree with you more. Our mgmt has no interest in running an airline nor can they. Had a conversation with a good friend of mine that’s also a 15+ year guy. Without F9 or B6 I’m very concerned about our success as a stand alone carrier. (If DOJ blocks a merger) This is the worst it’s been in 15+ years and there is no solution in sight. I will say in mgmt defense, every airline is having the same issues we are. Are they as bad? Maybe. I don’t know.
Just had a conversation with a guy I know who’s son is building a house. Will take 18 months to build. Contractor is saying the subs will only work 25 hours a week. Anymore than that and they won’t get their govt check. That’s probably the underlying issue is people don’t want to work. That’s mgmt’s job to figure out a solution and they have failed.
Just had a conversation with a guy I know who’s son is building a house. Will take 18 months to build. Contractor is saying the subs will only work 25 hours a week. Anymore than that and they won’t get their govt check. That’s probably the underlying issue is people don’t want to work. That’s mgmt’s job to figure out a solution and they have failed.
06-13-2022 | 08:08 AM
#1348
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I couldn’t agree with you more. Our mgmt has no interest in running an airline nor can they. Had a conversation with a good friend of mine that’s also a 15+ year guy. Without F9 or B6 I’m very concerned about our success as a stand alone carrier. (If DOJ blocks a merger) This is the worst it’s been in 15+ years and there is no solution in sight. I will say in mgmt defense, every airline is having the same issues we are. Are they as bad? Maybe. I don’t know.
Just had a conversation with a guy I know who’s son is building a house. Will take 18 months to build. Contractor is saying the subs will only work 25 hours a week. Anymore than that and they won’t get their govt check. That’s probably the underlying issue is people don’t want to work. That’s mgmt’s job to figure out a solution and they have failed.
Just had a conversation with a guy I know who’s son is building a house. Will take 18 months to build. Contractor is saying the subs will only work 25 hours a week. Anymore than that and they won’t get their govt check. That’s probably the underlying issue is people don’t want to work. That’s mgmt’s job to figure out a solution and they have failed.
06-13-2022 | 08:45 AM
#1349
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I couldn’t agree with you more. Our mgmt has no interest in running an airline nor can they. Had a conversation with a good friend of mine that’s also a 15+ year guy. Without F9 or B6 I’m very concerned about our success as a stand alone carrier. (If DOJ blocks a merger) This is the worst it’s been in 15+ years and there is no solution in sight.
06-13-2022 | 09:41 AM
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