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11-29-2021, 03:44 PM

#161

CincoDeMayo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

It’s a moot point. The union won’t use up any negotiating capital on new hire pay, because both sides want/need it to happen. The union still has to sign off on whatever the company comes up with, not including bonuses or whatever, as part of the collective bargaining process.

Nah man, nothing moot about this. Company will, I mean Bendo, will surely use his management pie analogy to try and tell us any increases on the FO year 1 and 2 will be costed against the total pie. That’s management 101, present the contract value as a pizza pie and that pie gets sliced up for the entire contract.

Heck with that.

11-29-2021, 04:39 PM

#162

Excargodog

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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

So tell me again Excargo why first year pay is something we need to negotiate for?

I said it’s something that needs to be fixed, and that the Union has a moral AND LEGAL responsibility to negotiate for first year pilots as well as all the other pilots. Which of those things do you disagree with?

And while you are answering, do you go along with the poster who said that first year pilots were not “on property”?

Because it seems like we have a substantial number of them in the right seat…

11-29-2021, 04:45 PM

#163

CincoDeMayo

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11-29-2021, 05:05 PM

#164

gflann

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Year 1 at Hawaiian is $36. Imagine being an FO in an A330 making that....at least were not the worst.

11-29-2021, 05:19 PM

#165

Tranquility

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gflann

Year 1 at Hawaiian is $36. Imagine being an FO in an A330 making that....at least were not the worst.

I budgeted for $40/hour (AA’s new-hire pay pre-jcba). Going from that budget to 38.50 wasn’t too much of a stretch. Is it a shame, absolutely! Did many do it to further their career progression betting that it’d pay off, again absolutely! If our union uses negotiating capital for new-hires, I’d be very upset and want a change in negotiators at the least….

11-29-2021, 05:53 PM

#166

DrDHD

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2022 gonna be fun. Grab the popcorn. Town hall in a week can’t wait for the leadership team to shed some color.

f9 is where spirit was 5 years ago with their new growth and has more opportunity for a low paying a320 operator. Add the fact ual is hiring every nk pilot who applies (also with 18 month upgrades at ual ewr/sfo) Staffing is going to be an issue

2022 gonna be a crap show

Last edited by DrDHD; 11-29-2021 at 06:04 PM.

11-29-2021, 06:33 PM

#167

JayBee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDHD

2022 gonna be fun. Grab the popcorn. Town hall in a week can’t wait for the leadership team to shed some color.

f9 is where spirit was 5 years ago with their new growth and has more opportunity for a low paying a320 operator. Add the fact ual is hiring every nk pilot who applies (also with 18 month upgrades at ual ewr/sfo) Staffing is going to be an issue

2022 gonna be a crap show

who the F in their right mind wants to live in either of those $hithole$ expensive as all get out and poor quality of life to boot

11-29-2021, 07:30 PM

#168

gflann

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Originally Posted by JayBee

who the F in their right mind wants to live in either of those $hithole$ expensive as all get out and poor quality of life to boot

You forgot to add, sitting airport ready reserve.

11-29-2021, 07:39 PM

#169

tsimmns927

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Does anyone ever see it getting to the point of hiring at just the minimums on the Spirit website? Basically a guy straight out of being a CFI with 1500?