Attrition
10-10-2023 | 01:02 PM
#3331
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If the union is telling you they don’t know the attrition numbers they are lying.
dues check offs stop coming in when people quit. The union knows exactly how many have left.
JB-
30 for august
19 for sept( it’s slowed a bit)
295 for the year
442 new hires
10-10-2023 | 08:02 PM
#3332
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From: baller, shot caller
Ok, so we both agree that everyone (MEC and pilot group) knew that the TA we voted in was below Delta, JetBlue, Hawaiian, and Alaska. And United, AA, and southwest were all negotiating and realistically going to be on par or better than Delta, which would then cause snap ups in everyone’s clause. That info was not a secret that only the MEC was aware of and chose to withhold. That was known to every pilot on property.
You think that we should have cancelled it and renegotiated, I’m generally in agreement with you there. I however don’t agree that’s it’s a guarantee that we would have achieved anything more and I don’t fault the MEC for going forward, there is a chance that we would have gotten nothing more and potentially would be still at our old pay rates. Frontier, allegiant, and southwest have not increased pay yet and are surviving. Their was risk involved in voting no, and the MEC and the majority of the pilot group made a risk assessment choice and voted yes.
You think that we should have cancelled it and renegotiated, I’m generally in agreement with you there. I however don’t agree that’s it’s a guarantee that we would have achieved anything more and I don’t fault the MEC for going forward, there is a chance that we would have gotten nothing more and potentially would be still at our old pay rates. Frontier, allegiant, and southwest have not increased pay yet and are surviving. Their was risk involved in voting no, and the MEC and the majority of the pilot group made a risk assessment choice and voted yes.
Man you have really changed your tune since last december...
Perfectly said. You don’t come to the table months before the amendable date with an offer like this, just to drag things out later if it’s voted down. Significant leverage is what we have. Everyone can throw their experiences of past negotiations out the window, the ball is in our court.
10-11-2023 | 08:23 AM
#3333
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Yes it was. My point is if you are trying to raise awareness of something, why would you not gather and disseminate data that supports your argument. Beyond that why would the company compile information that supports the oppositions stance? Should that not be the unions responsibility? The union is fully capable of gathering the data and releasing it on a more frequent basis.
For those not NK
Spirit lost 114 in the 3rd quarter
previous 2 quarters they lost 298 pilots (149 average per quarter)
And NK management still hasn’t pulled the lever on first year pay raise they they can do unilaterally, so it seems they aren’t as concerned with attrition with the upcoming mass NEO groundings. I foresee VILs, personally.
10-11-2023 | 08:23 AM
#3334
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412 for the year
789 new hires
10-11-2023 | 01:35 PM
#3337
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that’s actually a little crazy. We see very few captains leave(outside retirements) it’s in the single digits.
10-11-2023 | 02:44 PM
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10-11-2023 | 04:14 PM
#3340
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Not sure of retirements up to this point but we have 3 more CA retirements before years end. I think the number was 13 total for this year? So that would put at least 36 others leaving. Personally I've flown with only 1 CA who left this year. His wife makes A LOT of coin and he was getting abused on reserve.
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