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01-09-2022 | 06:14 AM

#401

hoover

At your mom's house

Joined: Jun 2008

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From: cpt 737

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon1211

Dude we had a guy leave Spirit to go to ATI according to the last union email. That’s how bad things are around here.

...we keep this up we might have people trade in their North Face/Karbon jackets for 10 stripes and fly for Avelo.

10? I thought they only had 8. Must have gotten an raise! Sign me up

01-09-2022 | 07:44 AM

#402

CLE to IAH

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Joined: Jun 2019

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDHD

second this. When your jr captains are bailing there should be red flags to management….especially with the aggressive growth plan they want.

I’ve seen a ton of people going to TFUA lately. Junior and senior to me. Two with less than one year here.

01-09-2022 | 07:46 AM

#403

CLE to IAH

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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

They grab pizzas and run because legacy carriers are hiring nonstop at higher pay for every year of longevity and faster upgrades. Pay guys $150/hr first year and they are still leaving if you don’t raise years 2-12.

I can only explain it to you so much, as others have as well. You’re stuck, we get it.

I’m done with you. It’s lunacy to expect you to grasp the obvious. Maybe you can apply for a legacy job?!

im not sure why you pulled his string in the first place.

01-09-2022 | 07:52 AM

#404

Carl LaFong

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Joined: Oct 2021

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From: CA, A320 family

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Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike

It’s been said over and over, first year pay is the company’s problem. Staffing and attracting talent isn’t the union’s job.

I can think of lots of things that aren't my job, but when not performed properly by those whose job it is, becomes my problem.

01-09-2022 | 07:54 AM

#405

CincoDeMayo

That/It/Thang

Joined: Aug 2020

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CLE to IAH

im not sure why you pulled his string in the first place.

“If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him.
-Sun Tzu

Haha

01-09-2022 | 08:32 AM

#406

jetblueballs

On Reserve

Joined: Jan 2022

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I think this thread I attached really puts how low our pay is into perspective. There are tons of SWA, Legacy, and Jetblue FO's making more than our senior captains...Frontiers rates are going to be much higher than ours starting in March and their pilots seem to make way more than the average Spirit pilot already (with more days off). Everyone keeps arguing if the problem is year 1 or year 2-12, its obviously all of it 1-12 year pay is substantially lower than anywhere else and it all needs to be raised across the board for people to stay.

End of 2021 salary survey

01-09-2022 | 08:32 AM

#407

Excargodog

Perennial Reserve

Joined: Jan 2018

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

“If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him.
-Sun Tzu

Haha

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUN TZU

If troops are punished before their loyalty is secured they will be disobedient. If not obedient, it is difficult to employ them.

and yet the same person continually laments the inability of a pilot group to bond effectively while simultaneously defending a year of Wal-Mart night shelf stocker wages for ~400/2900 (roughly 18%) of the pilot group because “I went through it when I was a newbie.”

Really, you don’t have to convince me, it’s obvious you don’t give a $hit about the salary of anyone junior to you. It’s just amazing to me you can’t connect the dots. The union has a legal and moral obligation to bargain effectively for these people and even if they didn’t, you aren’t going to establish pilot group cohesiveness by divisive policies. Forcing newbies to run through the gauntlet of low training and first year pay does not build group unity. It’s just abusive.

And I can keep this up just as long as you can.

Last edited by Excargodog; 01-09-2022 at 08:45 AM.

01-09-2022 | 08:34 AM

#408

CincoDeMayo

That/It/Thang

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jetblueballs

Yes, that thread is an eye opener. Also shows how most every airline (except SWA) is doing more money with less block and more days off than many of us, dispelling the rumor that sweet work rules are only at Spirit.

All years need to see HUGE gains.

01-09-2022 | 09:06 AM

#409

GrumpyCaptain

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Feb 2018

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Read that book the union gives you. The first real unions/associations that pertain to us are the auto union. Their goal was to make pay and qol the best it could for the lowest guy on the floor. If the guy sweeping floors gets $XXX and X days off. It has a trickle up effect for the rest of the workers on the assembly line.