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Old 08-23-2022 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
You didn't really expect airline management to work over a holiday weekend, did you?
or the union either…
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Old 08-23-2022 | 04:12 PM
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How about a 2 year LOA bringing NK up to B6 pay and DC and then start work immediately on the JCBA?

That’d free up people for planning the interior upgrades and repainting. In the meantime the pilot groups could get a mediator working on the SLI.
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Old 08-23-2022 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
How about a 2 year LOA bringing NK up to B6 pay and DC and then start work immediately on the JCBA?

That’d free up people for planning the interior upgrades and repainting. In the meantime the pilot groups could get a mediator working on the SLI.
Besides the fact that isn’t at all the timeline of how things go…

And sorry but a 1% bump on DC and JBLU current rates AINT gonna get anything done.

How about we raise the bar above JBLU and they can try to do the same with their section 6 and then when we do get to a JCBA, we can raise it again?
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Old 08-23-2022 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
How about a 2 year LOA bringing NK up to B6 pay and DC and then start work immediately on the JCBA?

That’d free up people for planning the interior upgrades and repainting. In the meantime the pilot groups could get a mediator working on the SLI.
Why would they do that? Management doesn’t care.
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Old 08-23-2022 | 06:08 PM
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Spirit pilots about to be paid less than regional fo's!
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Old 08-23-2022 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by icecreamfanatic
Spirit pilots about to be paid less than regional fo's!
Already are, brah.
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Old 08-23-2022 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Meep
Why would they do that? Management doesn’t care.
if they let it run into the ground they might not get their golden parachutes. And what the H€||, they are out the door anyway.
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Old 08-23-2022 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Besides the fact that isn’t at all the timeline of how things go…
Lots of out of cycle LOAs get done.

And sorry but a 1% bump on DC and JBLU current rates AINT gonna get anything done.
Au contraire. It’s a $20-$30 thousand a year increase for most NK pilots. That ain’t nothing.


How about we raise the bar above JBLU and they can try to do the same with their section 6 and then when we do get to a JCBA, we can raise it again?
I’m all for it if you can get that done cinco, how do you suggest we do that?

And truthfully, what I’m MORE afraid of is that if NK doesn’t get an increase and goes into the JCBA under the current contract, NK will be the one dragging the JCBA down, because whatever payscale the JCBA offers would be $20-30 thousand MORE of an improvement for the NK voters than for the B6 voters quite likely making the NK pilots MORE LIKELY THAN THE B6 pilots to vote for a JCBA that was less than we might have otherwise gotten. It would be preferable for the NK pilots to be getting B6 payscales (or better if you’ve got a plan for that) six months or so before the JCBA vote, so it will have time to become the new baseline for NK pilots.

Not to mention it would be nice to get retention up to where NK can resume upgrades again sometime before the JCBA, especially considering the DOH hire issues between the two groups.
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Old 08-24-2022 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
How about a 2 year LOA bringing NK up to B6 pay and DC
This seems to be the direction of the NC, at least that was the info given to me by an LEC rep. A quick timeframe, similar rates to JetBlue and a few sections the MEC deemed as important. Think minor changes so as to not draw the process out.
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Old 08-24-2022 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by putzin
This seems to be the direction of the NC, at least that was the info given to me by an LEC rep. A quick timeframe, similar rates to JetBlue and a few sections the MEC deemed as important. Think minor changes so as to not draw the process out.
Makes sense. If the buyout by B6 goes through, we get a second round of negotiation with the JCBA. If not, we revert to something even management will know won’t be viable so we go right back into negotiations. The NK stockholders won’t care if B6 is buying them out anyway, B6 management won’t care (much), they’d actually like us to have enough FOs to fly the aircraft we have and are on the order book for delivery. I don’t really think NK management will object greatly either, just that much less work for them while they get ready for the changeover.
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