Excargodog

And this surprises you? Go to any public library and ask which gets loaned out more, fiction or non-fiction. Maybe at the MIT engineering library non-fiction would win, but that’s about it.

But I agree that most of the numbers you challenged were fiction. H€||, a few of them were out and out fantasy.

fcoolaiddrinker

He said reaching 10 not starting out at 10. Anyhow heard franke amended a filing naming NK as the surviving entity. I’m not sure that does much other than now it’s potentially a decision to sell and liquidate.

FNGFO

Spirit was the surviving entity in the first place.

IWalkJun12

I would imagine if a majority of NK guys have to “relocate or commute” you will see a mass exodus. You think guys living in DFW or ORD are going to live to NY. AA or UAL will take them in a heartbeat.

emersonbiguns

Of the Top Gun Acquisition Corporation and Spirit Merger, not necessarily the final branding.

symbian simian

Let me clarify. What i meant was, show me the math where anyone on the JB list will end as number 10 without the merger, and will end as 300 with the merger.

Cramelton

10 seniority JB pilot eventually + Spirit aquizition = 300 seniority JB pilot eventually

Bluedriver

JB's smallest base is "East" of Orlando? And you want to criticize others for specifics?

Let's take the temperature down a bit. I think we've both said our part at this point. As for commuting to a JB base, I have some thoughts. You are free to read this situation how you want, but I read this acquisition as JB sincerely wanting to expand the airline, expand the brand, be more nationally relevant and compete with the biggest 5-6 passenger airlines. Just before COVID the company sent an email talking about looking at new bases, generally in other parts of the country, so I know that they want more bases. But the company is very cautious about opening new bases because it costs a fortune to close them with our current contract. The B6 MCO E190 base needs to be closed in the next couple of years and they have said it's cost nightmare because when they do something like that it opens up a bidding free for all, which coats money, but also take guys off the flying line as they upgrade/downgrade onto different fleets, and displace other pilots all over the system. And that's a small base (E190 is small in MCO).

Just my opinion, but I don't see them closing bases. They will have a lot of debt to pay off and adding huge expenses and creating pilot inefficiencies at a time when they are already short of pilots isn't a good idea. Speaking of being short on pilots, I think they already recognize that having limited geographic bases hurts pilot attraction/retention.

symbian simian

I think my math is correct, and didn’t get any suggestions for corrections. Having said that, I have zero idea what is going to happen so I assumed (drama), we would only keep the original JB bases. Hopefully I am wrong, and it would change my view about this more than an extra 10% seniority probably.

And yeah, total directional failure on my part “west of MCO”.

symbian simian

That is not how math works. What seniority number (no name, just number on the list) will go from retiring at #10 at JB out of 4400 to retiring at #300 with the merger? He would have to be senior and young enough to retire in the top .2%, but because of the merger have an extra 10% of the whole NK group (290) younger and higher on the list than him. Not impossible, but without an example, not likely IMO.