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Old 05-01-2022, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
You all keep talking about leverage as if we have it.
We only got the contract we have because of attrition and the quality of candidates we were hiring were retraining a lot.

We absolutely have leverage right now. Attrition, growth plan, and a merger which requires a JCBA to realize synergies all play a part.
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Old 05-01-2022, 06:48 AM
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We only got the contract we have because of attrition and the quality of candidates we were hiring were retraining a lot.

We absolutely have leverage right now. Attrition, growth plan, and a merger which requires a JCBA to realize synergies all play a part.
But leverage only works if both parties see it. I argue that NK doesn't see a problem, hence our "leverage" can go pound sand. I agree, once (if) a JCBA comes into play, then we have leverage for sure, but the economy and aviation world could crash by then, at which point our leverage once again goes out the door. I wonder if our MEC has even approached the company with options to improve pay in the short term, say a 12-24 month LOA?

I am sincerely not trying to flame or argue, just trying to get an idea of things. There is real "pain" at the lower seniority levels right now and I just wonder how long we will hold onto this potential leverage argument at the expense of low pay, no insurance and poor seniority growth.
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Old 05-01-2022, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
But leverage only works if both parties see it. I argue that NK doesn't see a problem, hence our "leverage" can go pound sand. I agree, once (if) a JCBA comes into play, then we have leverage for sure, but the economy and aviation world could crash by then, at which point our leverage once again goes out the door. I wonder if our MEC has even approached the company with options to improve pay in the short term, say a 12-24 month LOA?

I am sincerely not trying to flame or argue, just trying to get an idea of things. There is real "pain" at the lower seniority levels right now and I just wonder how long we will hold onto this potential leverage argument at the expense of low pay, no insurance and poor seniority growth.
Our management has checked out. I suppose neither merger opportunity could happen, but itís more than likely that a JCBA will be the next contract signed, and thereís a pretty good chance they wonít be around to sign off on it.

This place is unwinding pretty quickly. This summer should be pure hell.
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Old 05-01-2022, 07:34 AM
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Our management has checked out. I suppose neither merger opportunity could happen, but itís more than likely that a JCBA will be the next contract signed, and thereís a pretty good chance they wonít be around to sign off on it.

This place is unwinding pretty quickly. This summer should be pure hell.
Oh yeah. Its amazing the "DGAF" they are exhibiting. I assume their main concern is to construct a more favorable buyout agreement for them personally when JBLU is chosen, to assure they land on their golden feet. This summer will be a bloodbath of their own doing, I feel for the passengers who are booking trips on us right now. The sooner we move froward with F9 or JBlu the better, this management group has checked out.
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo View Post
Oh yeah. Its amazing the "DGAF" they are exhibiting. I assume their main concern is to construct a more favorable buyout agreement for them personally when JBLU is chosen, to assure they land on their golden feet. This summer will be a bloodbath of their own doing, I feel for the passengers who are booking trips on us right now. The sooner we move froward with F9 or JBlu the better, this management group has checked out.

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Old 05-01-2022, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo View Post
Oh yeah. Its amazing the "DGAF" they are exhibiting. I assume their main concern is to construct a more favorable buyout agreement for them personally when JBLU is chosen, to assure they land on their golden feet. This summer will be a bloodbath of their own doing, I feel for the passengers who are booking trips on us right now. The sooner we move froward with F9 or JBlu the better, this management group has checked out.
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Old 05-01-2022, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
You all keep talking about leverage as if we have it.
I would argue a growth stock company reducing prime season flying by 6% due to staffing, searching to employ non-american pilots holding work visas, fielding all calls for M/A, and losing millions due directly to staffing-driven meltdowns among other things, would be leverage. Our management doesnt have to see it. Theyve said it, and that will be worth something in any eventuality before a mediator.
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Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule View Post
I would argue a growth stock company reducing prime season flying by 6% due to staffing, searching to employ non-american pilots holding work visas, fielding all calls for M/A, and losing millions due directly to staffing-driven meltdowns among other things, would be leverage. Our management doesnt have to see it. Theyve said it, and that will be worth something in any eventuality before a mediator.
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Old 05-01-2022, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BananaHammock View Post
Really.

Guess my years on negotiating committee were a complete waste...

if itís NK neg committee you just lost all credibility
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Just so I understand. Yíall want to raise 1st year pay. An hourly wage that youíll get for one year.

you donít want to touch 12+ year pay. Possibly a pay rate youíll have for 15+ years. Maybe 30 years.

Think I understand now.
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