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05-01-2022, 04:58 AM
#501
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Originally Posted by Cyio
You all keep talking about leverage as if we have it.
We absolutely have leverage right now. Attrition, growth plan, and a merger which requires a JCBA to realize synergies all play a part.
05-01-2022, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
We only got the contract we have because of attrition and the quality of candidates we were hiring were retraining a lot.
We absolutely have leverage right now. Attrition, growth plan, and a merger which requires a JCBA to realize synergies all play a part.
We absolutely have leverage right now. Attrition, growth plan, and a merger which requires a JCBA to realize synergies all play a part.
I am sincerely not trying to flame or argue, just trying to get an idea of things. There is real "pain" at the lower seniority levels right now and I just wonder how long we will hold onto this potential leverage argument at the expense of low pay, no insurance and poor seniority growth.
05-01-2022, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
But leverage only works if both parties see it. I argue that NK doesn't see a problem, hence our "leverage" can go pound sand. I agree, once (if) a JCBA comes into play, then we have leverage for sure, but the economy and aviation world could crash by then, at which point our leverage once again goes out the door. I wonder if our MEC has even approached the company with options to improve pay in the short term, say a 12-24 month LOA?
I am sincerely not trying to flame or argue, just trying to get an idea of things. There is real "pain" at the lower seniority levels right now and I just wonder how long we will hold onto this potential leverage argument at the expense of low pay, no insurance and poor seniority growth.
I am sincerely not trying to flame or argue, just trying to get an idea of things. There is real "pain" at the lower seniority levels right now and I just wonder how long we will hold onto this potential leverage argument at the expense of low pay, no insurance and poor seniority growth.
This place is unwinding pretty quickly. This summer should be pure hell.
05-01-2022, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
Our management has checked out. I suppose neither merger opportunity could happen, but it’s more than likely that a JCBA will be the next contract signed, and there’s a pretty good chance they won’t be around to sign off on it.
This place is unwinding pretty quickly. This summer should be pure hell.
This place is unwinding pretty quickly. This summer should be pure hell.
05-01-2022, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Oh yeah. Its amazing the "DGAF" they are exhibiting. I assume their main concern is to construct a more favorable buyout agreement for them personally when JBLU is chosen, to assure they land on their golden feet. This summer will be a bloodbath of their own doing, I feel for the passengers who are booking trips on us right now. The sooner we move froward with F9 or JBlu the better, this management group has checked out.
Most accurate thing anyone has ever posted on here. Spot on.
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05-01-2022, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Oh yeah. Its amazing the "DGAF" they are exhibiting. I assume their main concern is to construct a more favorable buyout agreement for them personally when JBLU is chosen, to assure they land on their golden feet. This summer will be a bloodbath of their own doing, I feel for the passengers who are booking trips on us right now. The sooner we move froward with F9 or JBlu the better, this management group has checked out.
05-01-2022, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
You all keep talking about leverage as if we have it.
05-01-2022, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule
I would argue a growth stock company reducing prime season flying by 6% due to staffing, searching to employ non-american pilots holding work visas, fielding all calls for M/A, and losing millions due directly to staffing-driven meltdowns among other things, would be leverage. Our management doesnt have to see it. Theyve said it, and that will be worth something in any eventuality before a mediator.
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05-01-2022, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BananaHammock
Really.
Guess my years on negotiating committee were a complete waste...
Guess my years on negotiating committee were a complete waste...
if it’s NK neg committee you just lost all credibility
05-01-2022, 12:41 PM
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Just so I understand. Y’all want to raise 1st year pay. An hourly wage that you’ll get for one year.
you don’t want to touch 12+ year pay. Possibly a pay rate you’ll have for 15+ years. Maybe 30 years.
Think I understand now.
you don’t want to touch 12+ year pay. Possibly a pay rate you’ll have for 15+ years. Maybe 30 years.
Think I understand now.
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