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Old 05-16-2022 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320
Also their is one more MAJOR shareholder that will definitely vote in favor of the NK/F9 deal. Us peasants only have 35% of the vote. If I was a betting man JetBlue will not be stopping this thing, and they will be crying in their corner come June 11th.

Looking at the top ten biggest shareholders of Spirit I can’t figure out which investment group you are referring to?
Old 05-16-2022 | 07:12 AM
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Vanguard and Blackrock only own ~15%. combined, so they won't be a huge factor. With that said, money in your hand now is always worth more than future dollars, especially in the airline industry. It's a no brainer for most investors to take the money and run, so I expect the JetBlue merger to win by a landslide.

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Old 05-16-2022 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Vanguard are Blackrock only own ~15%. combined, so they won't be a huge factor. With that said, money in your hand now is always worth more than future dollars, especially in the airline industry. It's a no brainer for most investors to take the money and run, so I expect the JetBlue merger to win by a landslide.
^^^^^^ And we have a winner^^^^^^^

Frontier stock has continued to slide since they first made their offer, making their stock plus cash offer less valuable now then it was when it was originally made:



In the meantime, JetBlue has already upped their more lucrative offer. SAVE stockholders would have to be crazy to prefer the cheaper Frontier offer.
Old 05-16-2022 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluesteal
Uh... the name of the game in todays world is power and control. BlackRock alone is a $10T fund. Its about consolidating and owning everything you can. Thats the name of todays game. Sorry, you dont understand that. Do you even know anything about BlackRock and their public statements over the last decade?? To them, its more valuable to OWN everything, not make a quick buck. Understand the world my friend, the world is being consolidated for control, not for money, They already have all the money! hahah
Yes they want to own the total market but they can just buy ULCC shares to include them in their products if needed. They aren't sweating bullets because they dont own any F9, they have enough market exposure elsewhere to replicate the airline industry as a whole. I guarantee Vanguard/Blackrock won't even respond to any votes regarding the JB or F9 proposal and will go with whatever happens
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Yes they want to own the total market but they can just buy ULCC shares to include them in their products if needed. They aren't sweating bullets because they dont own any F9, they have enough market exposure elsewhere to replicate the airline industry as a whole. I guarantee Vanguard/Blackrock won't even respond to any votes regarding the JB or F9 proposal and will go with whatever happens
Yep. If they WANTED to own F9 shares, they could simply buy F9 stock. They didn’t need to buy NK stock to have it converted into F9 stock.
Old 05-16-2022 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Yes they want to own the total market but they can just buy ULCC shares to include them in their products if needed. They aren't sweating bullets because they dont own any F9, they have enough market exposure elsewhere to replicate the airline industry as a whole. I guarantee Vanguard/Blackrock won't even respond to any votes regarding the JB or F9 proposal and will go with whatever happens
He doesn't seem to grasp the fact that if BlackRock wanted to own ULCC, they could just buy it... In fact, they could buy it with a small portion of the proceeds of accepting the JetBlue offer... And still have a bunch of money left over.

I think his teachers helped him with his quizzes, a lot.
Old 05-16-2022 | 07:34 AM
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Blackrock and Vanguard own so much stock mainly because they need to for their index funds. Not because they are interested in the Airlines or any other industry in particular.
Old 05-16-2022 | 07:48 AM
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:27 AM
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So I’m not really familiar with this hostile takeover stuff.

it sounds like Jetblue just publicly made their intentions to do the hostile takeover eventually, but they actually haven’t started purchasing Spirit shares, correct?

if they do a hostile takeover can Spirit still exercise the poison pill?

I assume even if Spirit shareholders vote for the Frontier merger Jetblue can still go through with the hostile takeover??
Old 05-16-2022 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
So I’m not really familiar with this hostile takeover stuff.

it sounds like Jetblue just publicly made their intentions to do the hostile takeover eventually, but they actually haven’t started purchasing Spirit shares, correct?

if they do a hostile takeover can Spirit still exercise the poison pill?

I assume even if Spirit shareholders vote for the Frontier merger Jetblue can still go through with the hostile takeover??
I won't pretend to be an expert, but from what I know, they haven't started the takeover, yet, they've just threatened from what I can gather. They have a put another offer on the table, which basically says take it or get taken over. You can read the documents here:

JetBlue | SEC Filings

Spirit doesn't have a poison pill anymore, I believe it expired.
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