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06-07-2022, 02:22 PM
#1031
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Does Spirit flying anything smaller than an Airbus 319? If not, then it won’t go relative seniority since the fleets aren’t relatively the same. A220 and E190 are lower status/category planes. So it looks like you have 4 groups for your S&C groupings.
A-319/320/321 CA
A-220 E-190 CA
A-319/320/321 FO
A-220 E-190 FO
This will be a big driver how they integrate the seniority lists per ALPA merger policy.
And before you talk about pay rates, we tried that when we merged with United and it didn’t work.
A-319/320/321 CA
A-220 E-190 CA
A-319/320/321 FO
A-220 E-190 FO
This will be a big driver how they integrate the seniority lists per ALPA merger policy.
And before you talk about pay rates, we tried that when we merged with United and it didn’t work.
06-07-2022, 03:00 PM
#1032
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 612
Being from NK, my only real issue if B6 wins this and the deal goes through would be their lack of west coast flying and bases. Unless they expand bases in the west I imagine many NK pilots would bail because a transcon commute is a fate worse than death.
06-07-2022, 03:14 PM
#1033
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by Macjet
NK and F9 overlap on 40% of their routes as of Feb 7, 2022. Is 40% your 'so much route overlap'?
https://simpleflying.com/spirit-fron...work-analysis/
https://simpleflying.com/spirit-fron...work-analysis/
06-07-2022, 03:16 PM
#1034
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by nuball5
For the millionth time, the E190 won’t be around when any of this other stuff will matter.
The arbitrator won't consider them separate categories.
06-07-2022, 03:17 PM
#1035
The REAL Bluedriver
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Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by AllOva736
Being from NK, my only real issue if B6 wins this and the deal goes through would be their lack of west coast flying and bases. Unless they expand bases in the west I imagine many NK pilots would bail because a transcon commute is a fate worse than death.
06-07-2022, 03:21 PM
#1036
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by FahQ2
NK always knew who they were, just because the model changed doesn’t mean it was a rudderless ship. Prior to the shift to ULCC, NK was a niche company. Whether that niche was charter flights, or operating as a mom and pop carrier from the Midwest to the sun belt.
The point is until Indigo and Baldanza changed the company to a ULCC in the mid 2000’s, massive growth was never the focus. It’s like comparing McDonalds before Ray Croc to what it became after he changed the direction, it was happy to be a single store family run operation.
It’s not just about comparing a good growth period to a bad one, it’s a totally different company.
The point is until Indigo and Baldanza changed the company to a ULCC in the mid 2000’s, massive growth was never the focus. It’s like comparing McDonalds before Ray Croc to what it became after he changed the direction, it was happy to be a single store family run operation.
It’s not just about comparing a good growth period to a bad one, it’s a totally different company.
It's nearly spilled milk at this point.
06-07-2022, 03:22 PM
#1037
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by symbian simian
I will answer to this reply, because I think it is the most pertinent. Yeah. I was/am wrong. You and the others are right. I did only look at the last 15 or so years, and I got lucky with the progression at NK, and would like to keep that. And like plenty of others have said: it's not like we are going to have a say in the matter, but that didn't stop me from shooting my mouth off. I will not be the one resenting other pilots if/when any of these mergers go through because I realize that whomever I fly with was in the same boat without a rudder.
also, you forgot the closing quotation mark
also, you forgot the closing quotation mark
06-07-2022, 03:35 PM
#1038
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Posts: 1,510
Holy Jesus, Bluedriver, lay off the Dunkin’! You’ve had enough caffeine and it’s an inferior brand…. 
06-07-2022, 04:27 PM
#1039
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Posts: 2,512
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
Does Spirit flying anything smaller than an Airbus 319? If not, then it won’t go relative seniority since the fleets aren’t relatively the same. A220 and E190 are lower status/category planes. So it looks like you have 4 groups for your S&C groupings.
A-319/320/321 CA
A-220 E-190 CA
A-319/320/321 FO
A-220 E-190 FO
This will be a big driver how they integrate the seniority lists per ALPA merger policy.
And before you talk about pay rates, we tried that when we merged with United and it didn’t work.
A-319/320/321 CA
A-220 E-190 CA
A-319/320/321 FO
A-220 E-190 FO
This will be a big driver how they integrate the seniority lists per ALPA merger policy.
And before you talk about pay rates, we tried that when we merged with United and it didn’t work.
The 220 pays $10 more than a spirit 321. But I’m sure the arbitrator will say it’s “lower status”
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06-07-2022, 04:37 PM
#1040
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 917
Originally Posted by FahQ2
NK always knew who they were, just because the model changed doesn’t mean it was a rudderless ship. Prior to the shift to ULCC, NK was a niche company. Whether that niche was charter flights, or operating as a mom and pop carrier from the Midwest to the sun belt.
The point is until Indigo and Baldanza changed the company to a ULCC in the mid 2000’s, massive growth was never the focus. It’s like comparing McDonalds before Ray Croc to what it became after he changed the direction, it was happy to be a single store family run operation.
It’s not just about comparing a good growth period to a bad one, it’s a totally different company.
The point is until Indigo and Baldanza changed the company to a ULCC in the mid 2000’s, massive growth was never the focus. It’s like comparing McDonalds before Ray Croc to what it became after he changed the direction, it was happy to be a single store family run operation.
It’s not just about comparing a good growth period to a bad one, it’s a totally different company.
You said "it's not just about good growth to a bad one". That's exactly my point and everyone else point who commented on it. He can't just point to a growth period and say NK was superior on growth hence blah blah blah. You can go back and read what he said.
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