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06-07-2022, 08:02 AM
#1011
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Maybe I should have been more clear. The stagnant remark was in the context of the JB/NK merger. So do you think JB has grown faster than NK or not. If so, you should prefer RS over DOH. If not you worked for a carrier that wasn't as successful growing as the other one. And maybe that should take some wind out of the DOH being the better metric.
I really don't know what is fair. But after being in the industry for 20 years, I ended up at NK. And after 9 years I am at 20% RS. Personally, I don't think that going to 38% RS based on DOH would be fair. And the reason I would be going down would be because JB didn't grow as much as NK. So to hear we should be grateful to join isn't awesome. I would prefer no merger. Yes, your pay rates are higher, but I would be an FO if I was at JB.
And I am way more antagonistic than 99% of the NK pilots, and actually, in person not that bad, but it is APC required to be a keyboard warrior.
I really don't know what is fair. But after being in the industry for 20 years, I ended up at NK. And after 9 years I am at 20% RS. Personally, I don't think that going to 38% RS based on DOH would be fair. And the reason I would be going down would be because JB didn't grow as much as NK. So to hear we should be grateful to join isn't awesome. I would prefer no merger. Yes, your pay rates are higher, but I would be an FO if I was at JB.
And I am way more antagonistic than 99% of the NK pilots, and actually, in person not that bad, but it is APC required to be a keyboard warrior.
06-07-2022, 08:51 AM
#1012
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Joined APC: Feb 2022
Position: A320CA
Posts: 385
Originally Posted by FahQ2
NK didn’t start out as an LCC, ULCC, or even a scheduled carrier, while B6 business model is largely the same. Comparing NK growth since company creation is a disingenuous argument.
06-07-2022, 09:05 AM
#1013
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,879
Originally Posted by FahQ2
NK didn’t start out as an LCC, ULCC, or even a scheduled carrier, while B6 business model is largely the same. Comparing NK growth since company creation is a disingenuous argument.
06-07-2022, 09:18 AM
#1014
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Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 190
F9 is done bidding as of today.
http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20220607/A82L722DZZ2RT2ZZ2RTB22YNQ2HTZZ22Z242/
http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20220607/A82L722DZZ2RT2ZZ2RTB22YNQ2HTZZ22Z242/
06-07-2022, 09:26 AM
#1015
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Posts: 551
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
And now ULCC model is running out of routes that support daily service, as in part evidenced by F9 and NK having so much route overlap. If there are so many routes that support ULCC service, why not stay out of each other's way instead of doubling over each other's route network? And... This isn't 2016 anymore, having the lowest paid pilots won't guarantee people show up and STAY anymore... The ULCC model is not the unstoppable force you believe it is. And Spirit isn't the small airline it was either. To double or triple again in size will be measured in decades, not years now.
You wanted to compare NKs 39 years to B6s 22 as an apples to apples measure of growth and that is disingenuous. Spirit has been through several evolutions as a company before the current model, Jet Blue started out to be Jet Blue.
06-07-2022, 09:46 AM
#1016
The REAL Bluedriver
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Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,879
Originally Posted by FahQ2
So you just pivot from your assertion that Spirit has been a growth model LCC for the entirety of its 39 years but only yielded 160 aircraft. That’s what I commented on, not routes or pay, stay on point.
You wanted to compare NKs 39 years to B6s 22 as an apples to apples measure of growth and that is disingenuous. Spirit has been through several evolutions as a company before the current model, Jet Blue started out to be Jet Blue.
You wanted to compare NKs 39 years to B6s 22 as an apples to apples measure of growth and that is disingenuous. Spirit has been through several evolutions as a company before the current model, Jet Blue started out to be Jet Blue.
Spirits super high growth phase is over, as is JetBlue. Both are now mature/maturing airlines. Neither will double in the next 3-5 years...
06-07-2022, 09:55 AM
#1017
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 913
Originally Posted by FahQ2
NK didn’t start out as an LCC, ULCC, or even a scheduled carrier, while B6 business model is largely the same. Comparing NK growth since company creation is a disingenuous argument.
This was the point they were trying to make. He/she can't look at spirit's best growth time and point to that to justify something being unfair. But if he wants to, so can we.
06-07-2022, 10:02 AM
#1018
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Posts: 913
Originally Posted by FahQ2
NK didn’t start out as an LCC, ULCC, or even a scheduled carrier, while B6 business model is largely the same. Comparing NK growth since company creation is a disingenuous argument.
"...If not, you worked for a carrier that wasn't as successful growing as the other one"
22 years and 300 aircrafts vs 39 years and 160, who do you think wasn't as successful?
Point is, stop pointing out irrelevant sh** to justify what you (not you you) prefer.
06-07-2022, 10:05 AM
#1019
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,378
Originally Posted by MaxThrust1
F9 is done bidding as of today.
http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20220607/A82L722DZZ2RT2ZZ2RTB22YNQ2HTZZ22Z242/
http://archive.fast-edgar.com/20220607/A82L722DZZ2RT2ZZ2RTB22YNQ2HTZZ22Z242/
06-07-2022, 10:15 AM
#1020
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 913
Originally Posted by Chimpy
I mean of course they’re going to say that. Whether it’s true or not, they aren’t going to show their cards until they have to
CEO of Frontier: " We ain't sweetening the deal anymore"
Chimpy: "They don't mean that"
good fight man
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