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06-09-2022 | 04:42 AM
#1112
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From: NK CA
He’s probably super nice in person. He’s just one of those losers that get a boner out of getting a rise out of people online.
06-09-2022 | 04:44 AM
#1113
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 172
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From: 320 Captain
06-09-2022 | 04:50 AM
#1115
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,935
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From: Airbus Capt
06-09-2022 | 06:34 AM
#1117
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,274
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
this isnt true at all. They will and have ALWAYS dragged out negotiations. Sure they’ll pretend to engage and want to get it done but inevitably we’ll get the “significant differences remain” while they cry about the cost of the merger. As far as I’m concerned they can drag it out as long as they want. Nobody should settle on anything that doesn’t provide significant financial and QOL GAINS….
06-09-2022 | 07:51 AM
#1119
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Joined: Nov 2013
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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard
Just to add a little perspective to the conversation regarding potential SLI with Frontier if that deal were to happen. Many seem to think that F9 is an easier match in that relative seniority and DOH seniority are more aligned. It's really dependent on just where on the seniority list you care to compare.
As an example, someone earlier in this thread mentioned that they held 20% at Spirit after 9 years. To compare, 20% at Frontier is a 12-2005 hire date... 17-1/2 years! 9 years at F9 gets you #490 out of 1765 on the list as of 05-01-22 or 27.76% Someone else recently referred to a 7 year person at Frontier as "senior." Uh nope. 7 years is #695 out of 1765 or 39.38%
Frontier hired zero pilots between 2008 and 2011. The hiring didn't really pick up until about 2014. There was also a big spurt of hiring between 2003 and 2007. As the old saying goes, you'll know an SLI is final when everyone feels like they've been shafted. In the case of an F9 and NK merger, I'm hoping for some blend between DOH and Relative Seniority fully accepting that it would be unfair for me to gain 10%-ish based on my 2004 DOH and hoping that an NK pilot would also acknowledge that it also wouldn't be fair to sandwich me in with NK pilots with a 2012 hire date.
All the standard disclaimers apply (to save the keyboard warriors from pointing it out): (1) It's far from a done deal; (2) We don't have any say in the matter; (3) It'll go to arbitration in the end; (4) We should send a DART to our union representatives; (5) A Miata is not a sports car; (6) A recession is looming; (7) We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves; (8) It'll take *years* before we have a JCBA and SLI; (9) Doesn't matter because the current administration won't allow a merger; (10) The NK/F9 merger is a done deal because the current administration loves the poor and wants to see a Super Dollar Store concept thrive and grow; (11) I should keep my opinions to myself because this is the NK section; and last, but not least (12) My opinions don't matter because I'm technically a Boomer.
As an example, someone earlier in this thread mentioned that they held 20% at Spirit after 9 years. To compare, 20% at Frontier is a 12-2005 hire date... 17-1/2 years! 9 years at F9 gets you #490 out of 1765 on the list as of 05-01-22 or 27.76% Someone else recently referred to a 7 year person at Frontier as "senior." Uh nope. 7 years is #695 out of 1765 or 39.38%
Frontier hired zero pilots between 2008 and 2011. The hiring didn't really pick up until about 2014. There was also a big spurt of hiring between 2003 and 2007. As the old saying goes, you'll know an SLI is final when everyone feels like they've been shafted. In the case of an F9 and NK merger, I'm hoping for some blend between DOH and Relative Seniority fully accepting that it would be unfair for me to gain 10%-ish based on my 2004 DOH and hoping that an NK pilot would also acknowledge that it also wouldn't be fair to sandwich me in with NK pilots with a 2012 hire date.
All the standard disclaimers apply (to save the keyboard warriors from pointing it out): (1) It's far from a done deal; (2) We don't have any say in the matter; (3) It'll go to arbitration in the end; (4) We should send a DART to our union representatives; (5) A Miata is not a sports car; (6) A recession is looming; (7) We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves; (8) It'll take *years* before we have a JCBA and SLI; (9) Doesn't matter because the current administration won't allow a merger; (10) The NK/F9 merger is a done deal because the current administration loves the poor and wants to see a Super Dollar Store concept thrive and grow; (11) I should keep my opinions to myself because this is the NK section; and last, but not least (12) My opinions don't matter because I'm technically a Boomer.
In my defense, been doing this for a while, NK isn't my first. And because of that, will probably retire before you, so there's that. Good post.
06-09-2022 | 09:42 AM
#1120
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From: A320 CA
But you'd knock me down a number, so not sure we can be friends. (sarcasm)
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