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06-08-2022 | 06:05 AM
#1081
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I think the Spirit guys that are worried are the ones that are like “dude I’m a Senior Spirit pilot.” They’ve been there 7 years. They look across at JB and see a bunch of guys who are ex American, ex Airways, ex TWA who are like “tell me more…”
They feel a lot safer talking to the senior 7 year Frontier guys who will play nice.
They feel a lot safer talking to the senior 7 year Frontier guys who will play nice.
06-08-2022 | 06:20 AM
#1082
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
06-08-2022 | 06:31 AM
#1084
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Joined: Mar 2016
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From: 320 Captain
06-08-2022 | 06:36 AM
#1086
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From: 320 Captain
I think the Spirit guys that are worried are the ones that are like “dude I’m a Senior Spirit pilot.” They’ve been there 7 years. They look across at JB and see a bunch of guys who are ex American, ex Airways, ex TWA who are like “tell me more…”
They feel a lot safer talking to the senior 7 year Frontier guys who will play nice.
They feel a lot safer talking to the senior 7 year Frontier guys who will play nice.
06-08-2022 | 07:32 AM
#1087
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Just to add a little perspective to the conversation regarding potential SLI with Frontier if that deal were to happen. Many seem to think that F9 is an easier match in that relative seniority and DOH seniority are more aligned. It's really dependent on just where on the seniority list you care to compare.
As an example, someone earlier in this thread mentioned that they held 20% at Spirit after 9 years. To compare, 20% at Frontier is a 12-2005 hire date... 17-1/2 years! 9 years at F9 gets you #490 out of 1765 on the list as of 05-01-22 or 27.76% Someone else recently referred to a 7 year person at Frontier as "senior." Uh nope. 7 years is #695 out of 1765 or 39.38%
Frontier hired zero pilots between 2008 and 2011. The hiring didn't really pick up until about 2014. There was also a big spurt of hiring between 2003 and 2007. As the old saying goes, you'll know an SLI is final when everyone feels like they've been shafted. In the case of an F9 and NK merger, I'm hoping for some blend between DOH and Relative Seniority fully accepting that it would be unfair for me to gain 10%-ish based on my 2004 DOH and hoping that an NK pilot would also acknowledge that it also wouldn't be fair to sandwich me in with NK pilots with a 2012 hire date.
All the standard disclaimers apply (to save the keyboard warriors from pointing it out): (1) It's far from a done deal; (2) We don't have any say in the matter; (3) It'll go to arbitration in the end; (4) We should send a DART to our union representatives; (5) A Miata is not a sports car; (6) A recession is looming; (7) We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves; (8) It'll take *years* before we have a JCBA and SLI; (9) Doesn't matter because the current administration won't allow a merger; (10) The NK/F9 merger is a done deal because the current administration loves the poor and wants to see a Super Dollar Store concept thrive and grow; (11) I should keep my opinions to myself because this is the NK section; and last, but not least (12) My opinions don't matter because I'm technically a Boomer.
As an example, someone earlier in this thread mentioned that they held 20% at Spirit after 9 years. To compare, 20% at Frontier is a 12-2005 hire date... 17-1/2 years! 9 years at F9 gets you #490 out of 1765 on the list as of 05-01-22 or 27.76% Someone else recently referred to a 7 year person at Frontier as "senior." Uh nope. 7 years is #695 out of 1765 or 39.38%
Frontier hired zero pilots between 2008 and 2011. The hiring didn't really pick up until about 2014. There was also a big spurt of hiring between 2003 and 2007. As the old saying goes, you'll know an SLI is final when everyone feels like they've been shafted. In the case of an F9 and NK merger, I'm hoping for some blend between DOH and Relative Seniority fully accepting that it would be unfair for me to gain 10%-ish based on my 2004 DOH and hoping that an NK pilot would also acknowledge that it also wouldn't be fair to sandwich me in with NK pilots with a 2012 hire date.
All the standard disclaimers apply (to save the keyboard warriors from pointing it out): (1) It's far from a done deal; (2) We don't have any say in the matter; (3) It'll go to arbitration in the end; (4) We should send a DART to our union representatives; (5) A Miata is not a sports car; (6) A recession is looming; (7) We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves; (8) It'll take *years* before we have a JCBA and SLI; (9) Doesn't matter because the current administration won't allow a merger; (10) The NK/F9 merger is a done deal because the current administration loves the poor and wants to see a Super Dollar Store concept thrive and grow; (11) I should keep my opinions to myself because this is the NK section; and last, but not least (12) My opinions don't matter because I'm technically a Boomer.
06-08-2022 | 08:01 AM
#1088
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Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Airbus Capt
Just to add a little perspective to the conversation regarding potential SLI with Frontier if that deal were to happen. Many seem to think that F9 is an easier match in that relative seniority and DOH seniority are more aligned. It's really dependent on just where on the seniority list you care to compare.
As an example, someone earlier in this thread mentioned that they held 20% at Spirit after 9 years. To compare, 20% at Frontier is a 12-2005 hire date... 17-1/2 years! 9 years at F9 gets you #490 out of 1765 on the list as of 05-01-22 or 27.76% Someone else recently referred to a 7 year person at Frontier as "senior." Uh nope. 7 years is #695 out of 1765 or 39.38%
Frontier hired zero pilots between 2008 and 2011. The hiring didn't really pick up until about 2014. There was also a big spurt of hiring between 2003 and 2007. As the old saying goes, you'll know an SLI is final when everyone feels like they've been shafted. In the case of an F9 and NK merger, I'm hoping for some blend between DOH and Relative Seniority fully accepting that it would be unfair for me to gain 10%-ish based on my 2004 DOH and hoping that an NK pilot would also acknowledge that it also wouldn't be fair to sandwich me in with NK pilots with a 2012 hire date.
All the standard disclaimers apply (to save the keyboard warriors from pointing it out): (1) It's far from a done deal; (2) We don't have any say in the matter; (3) It'll go to arbitration in the end; (4) We should send a DART to our union representatives; (5) A Miata is not a sports car; (6) A recession is looming; (7) We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves; (8) It'll take *years* before we have a JCBA and SLI; (9) Doesn't matter because the current administration won't allow a merger; (10) The NK/F9 merger is a done deal because the current administration loves the poor and wants to see a Super Dollar Store concept thrive and grow; (11) I should keep my opinions to myself because this is the NK section; and last, but not least (12) My opinions don't matter because I'm technically a Boomer.
As an example, someone earlier in this thread mentioned that they held 20% at Spirit after 9 years. To compare, 20% at Frontier is a 12-2005 hire date... 17-1/2 years! 9 years at F9 gets you #490 out of 1765 on the list as of 05-01-22 or 27.76% Someone else recently referred to a 7 year person at Frontier as "senior." Uh nope. 7 years is #695 out of 1765 or 39.38%
Frontier hired zero pilots between 2008 and 2011. The hiring didn't really pick up until about 2014. There was also a big spurt of hiring between 2003 and 2007. As the old saying goes, you'll know an SLI is final when everyone feels like they've been shafted. In the case of an F9 and NK merger, I'm hoping for some blend between DOH and Relative Seniority fully accepting that it would be unfair for me to gain 10%-ish based on my 2004 DOH and hoping that an NK pilot would also acknowledge that it also wouldn't be fair to sandwich me in with NK pilots with a 2012 hire date.
All the standard disclaimers apply (to save the keyboard warriors from pointing it out): (1) It's far from a done deal; (2) We don't have any say in the matter; (3) It'll go to arbitration in the end; (4) We should send a DART to our union representatives; (5) A Miata is not a sports car; (6) A recession is looming; (7) We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves; (8) It'll take *years* before we have a JCBA and SLI; (9) Doesn't matter because the current administration won't allow a merger; (10) The NK/F9 merger is a done deal because the current administration loves the poor and wants to see a Super Dollar Store concept thrive and grow; (11) I should keep my opinions to myself because this is the NK section; and last, but not least (12) My opinions don't matter because I'm technically a Boomer.
06-08-2022 | 10:39 AM
#1089
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Joined: Apr 2007
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From: A320
Dead on! If I wanted a “bigger” paycheck. I would have gone elsewhere. I came to NK for the prospective growth plans. A chance to get deep into the list before the next s#&t storm. Was one of the last places to do that at. Anyone at the tail end of a list should feel a little uneasy now.
06-08-2022 | 10:43 AM
#1090
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Joined: Feb 2022
Posts: 385
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From: A320CA
Dead on! If I wanted a “bigger” paycheck. I would have gone elsewhere. I came to NK for the prospective growth plans. A chance to get deep into the list before the next s#&t storm. Was one of the last places to do that at. Anyone at the tail end of a list should feel a little uneasy now.
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