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04-30-2022, 06:51 AM
#481
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 157
Originally Posted by gatorbird
Cool.
Keep your upgrades until we move the bar for all pilots on the list. I'll wait.
Keep your upgrades until we move the bar for all pilots on the list. I'll wait.
04-30-2022, 06:52 AM
#482
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 157
Originally Posted by IWalkJun12
You really have no idea how this works. In addition so you really think people are leaving solely based on pay?
Guess my years on negotiating committee were a complete waste...
04-30-2022, 07:13 AM
#483
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,848
Originally Posted by BananaHammock
Really.
Guess my years on negotiating committee were a complete waste...
Guess my years on negotiating committee were a complete waste...
I can’t imagine any ALPA negotiating committee that you have supposedly been on would ever condone what you’re suggesting. Last time I checked; the C in CBA stands for “collectively”. Sorry but when everyone hit submit to work for Spirit they also agreed to work under our Agency Shop provision as well.
04-30-2022, 07:28 AM
#484
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Office Chair
Posts: 629
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Some people have this unfortunate thing called “empathy” that makes them want to improve things for those who come behind them. Some, just as obviously, don’t give a $hit about their junior coworkers. It’s a big world. It takes all kinds I guess.
But to ask the obvious question back at you, you knew the pay scales and benefits when you signed on. Do you truly expect to go to retirement with no improvements in the current contract? To ask nothing from the JCBA? To tell the management (whichever the h€|| management it will be), “No, I signed on for NK pay scales, let’s just keep those…”?
But to ask the obvious question back at you, you knew the pay scales and benefits when you signed on. Do you truly expect to go to retirement with no improvements in the current contract? To ask nothing from the JCBA? To tell the management (whichever the h€|| management it will be), “No, I signed on for NK pay scales, let’s just keep those…”?
04-30-2022, 08:28 AM
#485
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,272
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Some people have this unfortunate thing called “empathy” that makes them want to improve things for those who come behind them. Some, just as obviously, don’t give a $hit about their junior coworkers. It’s a big world. It takes all kinds I guess.
But to ask the obvious question back at you, you knew the pay scales and benefits when you signed on. Do you truly expect to go to retirement with no improvements in the current contract? To ask nothing from the JCBA? To tell the management (whichever the h€|| management it will be), “No, I signed on for NK pay scales, let’s just keep those…”?
But to ask the obvious question back at you, you knew the pay scales and benefits when you signed on. Do you truly expect to go to retirement with no improvements in the current contract? To ask nothing from the JCBA? To tell the management (whichever the h€|| management it will be), “No, I signed on for NK pay scales, let’s just keep those…”?
04-30-2022, 08:46 AM
#486
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
It's not that we don't care about those behind us, we just recognize that it's incredibly short-sighted to help the company out with their recruiting and retention problem mid-cycle. The staffing issue offers us a great deal of leverage in negotiating a better contract for everyone in the intermediate term, and the potential to make this a career destination for all of us in the long-run if we are patient. If a merger is approved, the company will be forced to the table, and improvements will be made across the board. Like it or not, this was the CBA that was ratified by the pilot group on property 4 years ago. Helping the company staff the airline now so a few can benefit in the short-term would be detrimental to the majority of the group in the long-term, especially those who intend to stay.
04-30-2022, 09:55 AM
#487
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,501
Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Nice strawman. Nobody has said they don’t want CBA improvements.
Once again, your argument is weak and we award you zero points.
Once again, your argument is weak and we award you zero points.
04-30-2022, 09:57 AM
#488
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,240
Originally Posted by Excargodog
And once again I don’t give a rats rear about points awarded (or not) by someone sufficiently morally deficient to be willing to hold medical insurance and a decent training wage for new hires hostage to fattening his own wallet.
That’s up to the company. We can’t give up leverage and weaken our own position for pilots who aren’t on the property. We’ve started canceling flights.
04-30-2022, 10:02 AM
#489
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,501
Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
It's not that we don't care about those behind us, we just recognize that it's incredibly short-sighted to help the company out with their recruiting and retention problem mid-cycle. The staffing issue offers us a great deal of leverage in negotiating a better contract for everyone in the intermediate term, and the potential to make this a career destination for all of us in the long-run if we are patient. If a merger is approved, the company will be forced to the table, and improvements will be made across the board. Like it or not, this was the CBA that was ratified by the pilot group on property 4 years ago. Helping the company staff the airline now so a few can benefit in the short-term would be detrimental to the majority of the group in the long-term, especially those who intend to stay.
04-30-2022, 10:35 AM
#490
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,228
Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
its a shame that you and others weren’t told these details when they applied. Seems like it would be illegal to withhold this information !
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