IamEssential

heads in the sand, this hiring spree by the legacies will pass is their strategy. Recession is coming so they may be right.

Excargodog

So how far are you willing to go? I mean, you can REALLY increase the attrition if you drop the rate for all FOs to half of what it is now. How about we put ALL further pay increases into CA pay and not waste any of that precious leverage on second class citizens like FOs it third class citizens like new hires.

And if we restrict 401k contributions, and company paid LTD and medical insurance to just the CAs, well the pot won’t have to be split in so many pieces and there’d be more for each CA.

Just how far ARE you willing to screw over your junior pilots to feather your own nest?

Excargodog

I don’t doubt that management has their heads in the sand right now, BUSY fine tuning their own résumés. Doesn’t matter if F9 or B6 ends up with NK, current NK management will be out of jobs. Right now they’ll just be content to let everything go on autopilot until the new management takes over and it gets sorted out in the JCBA.

OneplusF

Dude we get it. Enough already. This post doesn’t even make sense

IWalkJun12

You really have no idea how this works. In addition so you really think people are leaving solely based on pay?

CLE to IAH

its a shame that you and others weren’t told these details when they applied. Seems like it would be illegal to withhold this information !

CincoDeMayo

lol. Exactly.

Did someone say “first year pay” 3 times to cause Excargo to appear?

afterburn81

Exactly! All pilots are in it for different reasons. Clearly one of the reasons, is nothing NK could
ever be or offer. Most newhires in their 20’s-30’s aren’t really thinking about the money you can’t make at NK vs a legacy. The 320 type really doesn’t make you that much more
appealing to the legacies. They came here thinking it was one thing and it became another.

Aside from pay, I do believe many junior guys leave because a.) they received a bump in their self worth, having now flown an airplane bigger than an RJ and b.) bragging rights to say they made it to a legacy. They’re not going to be THAT much happier at AA. It’s about saying they got there.

So long as the legacies are hiring like crazy, NK has no control and over this kind of attrition and can only keep filing from the bottom. As long as classes keep getting filled, they’ll never improve first year stuff. It would be a waste for them.

Excargodog

Some people have this unfortunate thing called “empathy” that makes them want to improve things for those who come behind them. Some, just as obviously, don’t give a $hit about their junior coworkers. It’s a big world. It takes all kinds I guess.

But to ask the obvious question back at you, you knew the pay scales and benefits when you signed on. Do you truly expect to go to retirement with no improvements in the current contract? To ask nothing from the JCBA? To tell the management (whichever the h€|| management it will be), “No, I signed on for NK pay scales, let’s just keep those…”?

CincoDeMayo

Nice strawman. Nobody has said they don’t want CBA improvements.

Once again, your argument is weak and we award you zero points.