JetBlue purchase of Spirt
07-28-2022, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Cockpit997
The DOJ doesn’t really have a leg to stand on as they created the big 3. Who are they to deny a smaller carrier getting larger to compete with what they made.
07-29-2022, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Yes, although that’s likely a done deal. DIJ approval is another issue but I doubt this is something DOJ really wants to get in a political fight about. JB is reasonably well connected politically. I imagine a few token concessions will be required.
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07-29-2022, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
Spirit Airlines gets double downgrade to underweight after JetBlue deal announced
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07-29-2022, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
They got downgraded to underweight because we lost Barry Biffle yesterday. But don’t worry, we will be overweight again as soon as Robin is the CEO of the new company.
07-30-2022, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
EXACTLY. Or like when they say "oh prices will go up!" Okay so the big 4 just get to have a monopoly on air travel forever then? It makes no sense.
I mean, the pricing difference between JB and a flight on a legacy is negligible. Heck sometimes when I want to buy a ticket between cities, DL is less than JB on the same date within an hour of each other. Then there's Spirit. Flies the same aircraft as JB and DL on the same route, just later at night. A fraction of the price.
Eliminating the Spirit option is certainly a loss for the customer on a budget. In which the regulators may have beef with. I dunno though. I'm just a pilot. Honestly just speculating on this stuff.
07-30-2022, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
I mean, the pricing difference between JB and a flight on a legacy is negligible. Heck sometimes when I want to buy a ticket between cities, DL is less than JB on the same date within an hour of each other. Then there's Spirit. Flies the same aircraft as JB and DL on the same route, just later at night. A fraction of the price.
Eliminating the Spirit option is certainly a loss for the customer on a budget. In which the regulators may have beef with. I dunno though. I'm just a pilot. Honestly just speculating on this stuff.
Eliminating the Spirit option is certainly a loss for the customer on a budget. In which the regulators may have beef with. I dunno though. I'm just a pilot. Honestly just speculating on this stuff.
07-30-2022, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
today would likely be the “snapshot” date.
likely any new hire at either company after today will be integrated with DOH at the bottom of the combined list.
likely any new hire at either company after today will be integrated with DOH at the bottom of the combined list.
Also remember that all that matters are 3 things with ALPA.
Status and Category
Widebody - 777/787
Narrowbody - 737 Airbus 319-321
Small Narrowbody E-190, A220, etc
Longevity
Career Expectations (this only applies to fences to protect widebody flying). It is to prevent an airline with a bunch of WB from acquiring a small airline, and then those pilots immediately being able to fly the WB planes they would have not had an expectation to fly.
The “payrate” integration argument has never worked. Even CAL argued their 767-400 should be integrated as a 747 because of the payrates, but it was rejected per the policy. Payrates are not mentioned in policy anywhere.
This merger should be pretty straightforward since the fleets are relatively the same except the small narrowbody planes at B6. Everyone should be within a couple percent depending on longevity.
07-30-2022, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
ALPA merger policy is “Merger Announcement Date”. Its not relevant when it closes or is approved. All that matters is when the merger is announced. Anyone at either airline will be placed below all the pilots at the other airline.
Also remember that all that matters are 3 things with ALPA.
Status and Category
Widebody - 777/787
Narrowbody - 737 Airbus 319-321
Small Narrowbody E-190, A220, etc
Longevity
Career Expectations (this only applies to fences to protect widebody flying). It is to prevent an airline with a bunch of WB from acquiring a small airline, and then those pilots immediately being able to fly the WB planes they would have not had an expectation to fly.
The “payrate” integration argument has never worked. Even CAL argued their 767-400 should be integrated as a 747 because of the payrates, but it was rejected per the policy. Payrates are not mentioned in policy anywhere.
This merger should be pretty straightforward since the fleets are relatively the same except the small narrowbody planes at B6. Everyone should be within a couple percent depending on longevity.
Also remember that all that matters are 3 things with ALPA.
Status and Category
Widebody - 777/787
Narrowbody - 737 Airbus 319-321
Small Narrowbody E-190, A220, etc
Longevity
Career Expectations (this only applies to fences to protect widebody flying). It is to prevent an airline with a bunch of WB from acquiring a small airline, and then those pilots immediately being able to fly the WB planes they would have not had an expectation to fly.
The “payrate” integration argument has never worked. Even CAL argued their 767-400 should be integrated as a 747 because of the payrates, but it was rejected per the policy. Payrates are not mentioned in policy anywhere.
This merger should be pretty straightforward since the fleets are relatively the same except the small narrowbody planes at B6. Everyone should be within a couple percent depending on longevity.
this is gonna be fun
07-30-2022, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
small narrowbody?
this is gonna be fun
this is gonna be fun
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