JetBlue purchase of Spirt
07-30-2022, 09:40 PM
#51
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Guess the ATF be looking in here🙄
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
You have issues, BOB. I’m sorry for your loss. But it’s time for you to move on.
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07-30-2022, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
When the SLI negotiations occur and it goes to arbitration, the 190s will not be used in any decisions. There will not be a stove piping of 320s above 190s. So let's go ahead and stop that nonsense right now.
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07-30-2022, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I would also add, that prior to the merger announcement, the E190s were already announced to be retiring.
And, good luck with that.
And, good luck with that.
07-31-2022, 03:23 AM
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2 different important dates for
the Alaska/VA merger.
“The Protocol Agreement sets the Merger Announcement Date (April 4, 2016) as the Constructive Notice Date that places pilots hired on after that date at the bottom of the new seniority list, defined as the Integrated Pilot Seniority List (“IPSL”).”
“The second stipulation sets the merger closing date, December 14, 2016, as the “snapshot date” for “analysis of the respective pre-merger equities.”
Now can we let the SLI talk go until after we knock the JCBA out of the park first?
the Alaska/VA merger.
“The Protocol Agreement sets the Merger Announcement Date (April 4, 2016) as the Constructive Notice Date that places pilots hired on after that date at the bottom of the new seniority list, defined as the Integrated Pilot Seniority List (“IPSL”).”
“The second stipulation sets the merger closing date, December 14, 2016, as the “snapshot date” for “analysis of the respective pre-merger equities.”
Now can we let the SLI talk go until after we knock the JCBA out of the park first?
07-31-2022, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
2 different important dates for
the Alaska/VA merger.
“The Protocol Agreement sets the Merger Announcement Date (April 4, 2016) as the Constructive Notice Date that places pilots hired on after that date at the bottom of the new seniority list, defined as the Integrated Pilot Seniority List (“IPSL”).”
“The second stipulation sets the merger closing date, December 14, 2016, as the “snapshot date” for “analysis of the respective pre-merger equities.”
Now can we let the SLI talk go until after we knock the JCBA out of the park first?
the Alaska/VA merger.
“The Protocol Agreement sets the Merger Announcement Date (April 4, 2016) as the Constructive Notice Date that places pilots hired on after that date at the bottom of the new seniority list, defined as the Integrated Pilot Seniority List (“IPSL”).”
“The second stipulation sets the merger closing date, December 14, 2016, as the “snapshot date” for “analysis of the respective pre-merger equities.”
Now can we let the SLI talk go until after we knock the JCBA out of the park first?
This is a good explanation in the DL/NW ruling starting on page 26 at the “Constructive Notice” section explaining that the merger announcement date is the seniority list snapshot date:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lnqqw0zntd...8b6d.html?dl=0
To summarize, the public announcement date is when pilots are aware there will be a merger with their respective companies. Anyone hired after that date is assumed to be joining the combined company (DOH will be used) as opposed to anyone hired before the Constructive Notice date where there wasn’t any plan of merger.
07-31-2022, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
oh come on, let me have a little fun with him. But seriously, why not? Pretty sure you would use an A330 on the property to do just that.
As far as any aircraft on property, if those aircraft are expected to continue to be on property then they're absolutely fair play. But the 190s have been designated for the trash heap for quite some time now, have already started to get removed from service, and will be completely gone, or almost completely gone by the SLI. It will be completely appropriate and expected that the arbiter will disregard the 190, if there are any left, and will not include them in any of his decisions.
07-31-2022, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Ultimately it will be determined by an arbiter no doubt. My hope is we can move on from that and galvanize to come together and get a top shelf JCBA because that's where we'll all make our $ and QOL.
07-31-2022, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
If you're poking and prodding then my bad! By all means, continue!
As far as any aircraft on property, if those aircraft are expected to continue to be on property then they're absolutely fair play. But the 190s have been designated for the trash heap for quite some time now, have already started to get removed from service, and will be completely gone, or almost completely gone by the SLI. It will be completely appropriate and expected that the arbiter will disregard the 190, if there are any left, and will not include them in any of his decisions.
As far as any aircraft on property, if those aircraft are expected to continue to be on property then they're absolutely fair play. But the 190s have been designated for the trash heap for quite some time now, have already started to get removed from service, and will be completely gone, or almost completely gone by the SLI. It will be completely appropriate and expected that the arbiter will disregard the 190, if there are any left, and will not include them in any of his decisions.
Not expecting a huge advance because of a couple RJs, and the A220 is pretty much the same size as our 319s.
And although pay rates don’t matter for the SLI yours are still better, our international override is higher, but doesn’t pay for everything outside Conus. And you have red-eye pay. Think our commute policy is better (less restrictive). Want your PTO and our reserve grid (probably your reserve rules). Hope we can keep the best from both and add legacy (no, not Alaska) rates.
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