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07-31-2022 | 08:20 AM

#71

avi8orco

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Originally Posted by dualinput

It’ll be a joint negotiating committee

Thank God…as B6 I have a lot more confidence in Spirit ALPA taking it to the company with CK sitting there twiddling his thumbs and taking whatever.

07-31-2022 | 08:21 AM

#72

flyingmonkeys

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I don’t want to say the ability to drop to zero is a myth… but I haven’t been able to drop more than just 1 four day trip in the last 3 months. I was also to drop a 3 day using mandatory vacation float. You guys make it sound like we have unlimited drops. That’s not the case. It would be nice if it actually worked that way. Good idea in theory though.

07-31-2022 | 08:28 AM

#73

Stomper

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Originally Posted by flyingmonkeys

Using a recent 3month snapshot to say dropping to zero is a myth is fundamentally flawed.
Just because dropping isn’t 100% guaranteed doesn’t mean it isn’t crucial as a means for creating scheduling flexibility.

07-31-2022 | 08:36 AM

#74

Excargodog

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Originally Posted by flyingmonkeys

I think the inability to retain FOs (and hence to upgrade them to create new CAs) has played a major role in that,, because if the legacy hiring, the pi$$-poor first year pay, and the very real threat that the company was going to F9. Two of those things are fixable. But there is no free lunch. The ability to drop easily is purchased at the price of longer reserve time for both new CAs and new FOs. That’s just math - neither good nor bad - and more tolerable for those people when they were looking at 15% annual expansion and three- four year upgrades. QOL work rules aren’t just a trade off with management, they are oftentimes a trade off within the pilot group as well.

07-31-2022 | 08:51 AM

#75

Halon1211

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Originally Posted by BeatNavy

“they will ask, jetblue will say no,” and that will be that, then 69% will shrug their shoulders and vote yes to whatever agreement they are given.

what if you ask nicely?

07-31-2022 | 08:54 AM

#76

Flyby1206

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From: 320 CA

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Originally Posted by BunkerF16

My hope is we as a pilot group can focus on the things we can control and that's coming together as a unified group to get the best JCBA we possibly can. The SLI will take care of itself. It's fun to speculate and measure peckers but it's in the hands of both MnA committees and ultimately the arbiter. But because JBs CBA requires a JCBA before both companies can combine, it's the one time that JB will be in more of a hurry to get a deal done. We'll have the greatest leverage we'll ever have in our careers to keep the best practices of both sides and make the gains we need and deserve to attract and retain pilots.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...14ddfan14a.htm

JB projects 1Q 2025 for a single operating certificate, which means JCBA and SLI completed by then as well, which seems like a good timeline

07-31-2022 | 09:46 AM

#77

onedolla

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Originally Posted by Stomper

It’s definitely been longer than 3 months.

07-31-2022 | 10:08 AM

#78

symbian simian

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Originally Posted by avi8orco

Thank God…as B6 I have a lot more confidence in Spirit ALPA taking it to the company with CK sitting there twiddling his thumbs and taking whatever.

We did give away reserve QOL at NK. Not just a bit, totally. Need to get that back. I know why it happened, but it went so far it probably costs NK more than a rational approach would have.

08-01-2022 | 05:05 AM

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gatorbird

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Originally Posted by Stomper

Assuming most of the NK pilots vote to keep “drop to zero” then we would only need a much smaller portion of the B6 voters to create a majority. The dynamics of the combined pilot group will change going forward and could potentially have more resolve and determination to not accept anything less than stellar JCBA.

A TA that has any semblance of watering down the current red/green language and loss of the ability to drop will be a "no" vote for me and quite likely the majority of Spirit pilots.

08-01-2022 | 06:25 AM

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Stomper

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Originally Posted by gatorbird

A TA that has any semblance of watering down the current red/green language and loss of the ability to drop will be a "no" vote for me and quite likely the majority of Spirit pilots.

Excellent. That’s the kind of support I was hoping to hear from my fellow NK pilots for QOL provisions.
I understand the FO grid has been almost entirely red for some extended time now due to understaffing but in normal times it works well.