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Old 06-05-2023 | 07:45 PM
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B. Commuting Strategy
A commuting Pilot who complies with the requirements of this Section
shall not be subject to discipline based on missed commute unless there is
evidence that the mis-commutes are the result of inadequate planning by the
Pilot. A Chief Pilot may discuss patterns of commuting problems with the
Pilot in an effort to resolve such issues by identifying the source of the problem
and assisting in developing alternative commuting strategies. Repeated
mis-commutes may be considered in evaluations of a commuting Pilot’s
overall dependability.

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4. A pilot who keeps accurate records of his scheduled commuter
flights and otherwise complies with the provisions of
this commuter policy shall not be subject to discipline for
missing trip pairings due to denied boarding.
5. A pilot may use the commuter policy as necessary with no
limitations.
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Old 06-05-2023 | 07:47 PM
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c. Adequate time between different flights that depart from different
ends of the same airport must be taken into consideration by the
Pilot.
d. Additional travel time should be taken into consideration by the
Pilot on days with adverse weather conditions.
e. Travel time between arrival terminals must be taken into consideration
by the Pilot.

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A pilot commuting to duty shall plan for a minimum of two
separate flights that will arrive at his domicile in advance of
his normal report time. If the first flight is oversold, delayed,
or canceled, or if the pilot is denied a jumpseat or boarding
for any reason, he shall notify Crew Scheduling as soon as
practical.
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Old 06-05-2023 | 07:48 PM
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Pullleeezze try to say yours is better.

I can have two flights that arrive 1 minute before show, and depart at the same time from different terminals, and it is a legal commute. And if by the time I get through to CS to tell them I didn't get on, and no flight will get me in position in time it is not my problem. EVER. Have I ever abused this? No. But why not? Because I am a professional and I don't need a dependability piece of BS to threaten me to do the job you hired me for.
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Old 06-05-2023 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1200
That’s my point. What happens if you don’t make sure you have two flights? Is that policy written anywhere?
If you don't make sure you have two flights, and you miss your check in, you will be subject to discipline, as you should be. I don't know what that would be exactly, but I am pretty sure ALPA and management have some sort of understanding on how to handle that. And JB&NK are probably the same.
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Old 06-05-2023 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PSU Flyer
So, what happens at Spirit if you call out sick for a 4-day trip every month? No repercussions? The B6 dependability policy basically says if you call out 5 times in a year (simplified version), you get a call from the CP to see why.

The commuter policy is completely separate. If you have the required 1 online or 2 offline flights and don’t make it, there are no repercussions. It doesn’t count toward the dependability policy. You just don’t get paid.

I’m certainly not defending the B6 way. Just making sure we’re comparing accurate info.
NK has no dependability policy. PERIOD. You might think it is awesome you can call out sick 4 times without a call. I've not heard of anyone at NK getting a call from the CP about sick leave. Not saying it hasn't happened, But in 10 years I haven't met a single pilot who got that call. Just maybe because DTZ we can manipulate our schedule better so we don't have to use that option, I don't know.

And your commute policy specifically states that if you miss your commute too often you CAN get a call regardless if you followed the rules. Maybe not happening too often, but it is black&white in your CBA. What is adverse weather, and how much additional time is enough. Please...
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Old 06-05-2023 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
NK has no dependability policy. PERIOD. You might think it is awesome you can call out sick 4 times without a call. I've not heard of anyone at NK getting a call from the CP about sick leave. Not saying it hasn't happened, But in 10 years I haven't met a single pilot who got that call. Just maybe because DTZ we can manipulate our schedule better so we don't have to use that option, I don't know.

And your commute policy specifically states that if you miss your commute too often you CAN get a call regardless if you followed the rules. Maybe not happening too often, but it is black&white in your CBA. What is adverse weather, and how much additional time is enough. Please...
Our management has a lot to be desired at times, but I appreciate the fact that they treats us like adults
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Old 06-05-2023 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Plenty of guys like to get paid to not work.
Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Yo, right here ✋
To the point you would misuse sick leave if not treated like a child?
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Old 06-06-2023 | 03:56 AM
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Amen on the being treated like an adult. No issues with that here at NK.

For what it's worth, due to some health issues, my sick bank is currently riding 0, banged out legit sick a crap ton this year, haven't heard a single word about it.
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Old 06-06-2023 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
To the point you would misuse sick leave if not treated like a child?
A lot of us have been here longer than you and doing just fine with our sick policy, accrual, and our very chill base chief pilots. Don’t you worry what your other pilots are doing with their
contractually accrued sick time and how they choose to use it. If there was ever a situation where someone was accused of misusing sick time, that’s between them and management. However in the 12 years I’ve been here, never heard of this happening.

I’ll leave it at that
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Old 06-06-2023 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
A lot of us have been here longer than you and doing just fine with our sick policy, accrual, and our very chill base chief pilots. Don’t you worry what your other pilots are doing with their
contractually accrued sick time and how they choose to use it. If there was ever a situation where someone was accused of misusing sick time, that’s between them and management. However in the 12 years I’ve been here, never heard of this happening.

I’ll leave it at that
Not worried at all from what I’ve seen. I’m sure abuse can happen, but I’ve certainly never seen it. The NK people and procedures seem to get the job done without putting undo pressure on anyone. And I think that ought to be reflected in the JCBA.
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