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SSlow 12-10-2022 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by FahQ2 (Post 3548961)
Or American, where you have your apps in. A quick pay bump would do nicely until they give you a call back no?

Are you even an NK pilot, or just salty because AA hasn’t rescued you from Frontier yet?

Troll elsewhere, we’re all stocked up here

Hopefully he/she gets picked up by AA and becomes their problem. Being salty and negative is a basic requirement over there.

SlimBob 12-10-2022 08:43 PM

You haters are loud, and I think I might agree with most of you. But consider this--You want to vote no because of how it's not good enough for you. Maybe you should vote yes because you see how this deal won't help the company solve attrition, will get you paid, and that we will be back at the table next year. If you believe this is just the beginning of the pilot shortage then voting yes will get you paid and not solve attrition. Then the next time at the table we have more leverage and we got paid.
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BobbyLeeSwagger 12-10-2022 08:51 PM

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Tx Paratroopr 12-10-2022 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by SlimBob (Post 3549122)
You haters are loud, and I think I might agree with most of you. But consider this--You want to vote no because of how it's not good enough for you. Maybe you should vote yes because you see how this deal won't help the company solve attrition, will get you paid, and that we will be back at the table next year. If you believe this is just the beginning of the pilot shortage then voting yes will get you paid and not solve attrition. Then the next time at the table we have more leverage and we got paid.
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Except this could end backfiring and help the company by giving up any leverage we have. No one here would be "hurting" themselves. We all have liveable wages. What's actually going to hurt the company is not taking the lowest deal we get. They have an attrition problem today and can't keep classes filled today. A cheap buy out is what the company wants. Fight for a big payout now while we can rather then settling.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 12-10-2022 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3548801)
Those chats may have a lot of members but it’s the same 20-30 blow hards repeating themselves over and over trying to rally people to vote no.

Almost everyone in my class say they’ll vote yes. I expect this to pass probably in the high 60% range maybe more depending on how the road shows go.

What percent of your class has already left for better opportunity and a brighter future though?

Chimpy 12-11-2022 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3549107)
Hopefully he/she gets picked up by AA and becomes their problem. Being salty and negative is a basic requirement over there.

as a 10yr CA here I’d take this T/A over AA anyday, lol. This T/A is incredibly underwhelming but there does seem to be more of an emotional reaction to it than a logical one. What’s kind of funny is if mgmt would have just agreed to this a month or two earlier, it easily passes, lol, not sure if it passes now. Either way, Funny to see everyone angry at $318/hr (Slope is still not fixed) for top of scale in Jan ‘24 with Red/Green intact while our company is hemorrhaging cash (no fault of our own) Shows how far this industry has come from a few years ago.

the best part is the guys yelling on the Chats not to include the 321 override because they “hardly fly it and don’t get it…

CincoDeMayo 12-11-2022 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 3549182)
as a 10yr CA here I’d take this T/A over AA anyday, lol. This T/A is incredibly underwhelming but there does seem to be more of an emotional reaction to it than a logical one. What’s kind of funny is if mgmt would have just agreed to this a month or two earlier, it easily passes, lol, not sure if it passes now. Either way, Funny to see everyone angry at $318/hr (Slope is still not fixed) for top of scale in Jan ‘24 with Red/Green intact while our company is hemorrhaging cash (no fault of our own) Shows how far this industry has come from a few years ago.

the best part is the guys yelling on the Chats not to include the 321 override because they “hardly fly it and don’t get it…

That’s what makes this so funny, the hysteria. Sprinkle in the ineptness of someone thinking the 321 rate is only paid if you fly the 321, well that sounds just like the Spirit I know.

This was the risk of a compensation only deal, it forces people to only look at compensation as a comparison vs the entire contract. This passes because in the end I know the majority of people like to complain but still vote to take the easy cash, we have demonstrated that before.

Tx Paratroopr 12-11-2022 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3549209)
That’s what makes this so funny, the hysteria. Sprinkle in the ineptness of someone thinking the 321 rate is only paid if you fly the 321, well that sounds just like the Spirit I know.

This was the risk of a compensation only deal, it forces people to only look at compensation as a comparison vs the entire contract. This passes because in the end I know the majority of people like to complain but still vote to take the easy cash, we have demonstrated that before.

And I thought it was going to the massive influx of low time regional pilots and cfis that would take the easy payout bait.

SlimBob 12-11-2022 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Tx Paratroopr (Post 3549129)
Except this could end backfiring and help the company by giving up any leverage we have. No one here would be "hurting" themselves. We all have liveable wages. What's actually going to hurt the company is not taking the lowest deal we get. They have an attrition problem today and can't keep classes filled today. A cheap buy out is what the company wants. Fight for a big payout now while we can rather then settling.

But this offer does frickall to help the company's problem. I have a friend with a class date hoping that he timed it right with the TA. With the news he's ****ed that the company doubled down on no bennies and no pay day 1. Sees the 2500 and no bennies as an insult to anyone on the outside. Where's the backfire? When the B6 deal fails? When B6 deal stalls? Both put us back at the table AND the company is still hemorrhaging FOs. While our deal isn't the best, the company really did a bangup job on their side. Maybe this is best case. I get paid and you miserable f[friend]s still leave to the legacies and I move up every month.

RJSAviator76 12-11-2022 06:06 AM

As I said earlier, I really admired you guys when you were walking your picket with signs saying Discount Fares, not Discount Pilots. But with all the yes voters coming out of the woodwork, this oldie is for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qben5MLmtXo


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