Maybe i wrote it poorly or you misread. But that's exactly what I meant it equals out to picking up a few days a month on either side. It's a small sacrifice for bigger gains and to set ourselves up better in the future. I also never said it was a small drop in the bucket I simply said there were ways to make up the difference over a short period of time.

Agreed but that's not the argument people are making they are say we aren't delta so we don't get delta rates(not saying we should get delta rates). My assumption would be they are making this point based on the product that delta offers and the model they operate under. I was just pointing out AA operates the same model and does significantly worse and yet can still pay there pilots similar rates.

gotcha………….

Building our legacy*


*starting 1/1/24
Lol! Nope!

Yep. Absolutely pathetic.

F: Line Adjustment
• Pilots may step trade between 60 Credit hours to Monthly maximum plus five in first step only.
• Codified Crew Planning will assign trips as able after Second Step Bid if the Pilot is below 70 Credit hours.
• Codified the “Third Step Bid” process of 48 hours duration at the completion of second step bidding for BBHs to pick up, drop or trade with open flying time trips.


For those wanting a few extra bucks for Alaska rates, maybe keep in mind a contract is more than rates. Anyone here willing to let scheduling give you trips if below 70 hours of credit for the month? Anyone? You get a few more dollars? We want Alaska rates, right? So we get some of the rules too

So who is willing to take this provision for an extra $5 an hour?

I'm confused are we negations rates atm or rules as well? Seems it's a no concessions rate deal we're in not a full contract.

If we sold off the grid and drop to zero they’d probably give us Alaska +20. It’s a huge cost to them

If we are comparing what we were offered for rates vs what Alaska was offered (and accepted) after years at the table, you have to take into consideration what they did/game/took to get there. You can’t take rates as apples to apples when they lack work rules in other areas.

All costs are relevant in a CBA. Imagine how much they would pay us if we allowed them to work us minimum of 70 hours each month, no drops below. Their staffing problems would be fixed, probably need less pilots going forward.

Rates can’t be viewed in a vacuum.

Actaully when the company and the NC agree that this just a rates negotiation I they can be. Which is what makes this such a unique situation.