Spirit Now Sure As It Emerges From Bankruptcy
09-01-2025 | 12:42 PM
#1632
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Yeah, that ain’t happening…for both points. As guys get displaced from their bases, they will drop their trios and gobble up any remaining open time in their previous home base. They will justify it and say “I’m swapping, not picking up,” but clearing out open time just the same.
That being said, these furloughed pilots aren’t getting recalled. Let’s be real, and more furloughs are to come. This isn’t the same as a recession where all airlines are hurting and furloughing; this is different.
Any NK guys on here picking up open time? And swapping is still picking up open time. Just curious.
That being said, these furloughed pilots aren’t getting recalled. Let’s be real, and more furloughs are to come. This isn’t the same as a recession where all airlines are hurting and furloughing; this is different.
Any NK guys on here picking up open time? And swapping is still picking up open time. Just curious.
Then it went from that to “oh.. I need more hours for the legacies” so picking up continued.
There’s a bit more to it than that (getting displaced so you drop and pick up in the base you were just displaced from), but that’s the basics.
This comes from multiple people who I personally know
09-01-2025 | 01:07 PM
#1633
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Yeah, that ain’t happening…for both points. As guys get displaced from their bases, they will drop their trios and gobble up any remaining open time in their previous home base. They will justify it and say “I’m swapping, not picking up,” but clearing out open time just the same.
That being said, these furloughed pilots aren’t getting recalled. Let’s be real, and more furloughs are to come. This isn’t the same as a recession where all airlines are hurting and furloughing; this is different.
Any NK guys on here picking up open time? And swapping is still picking up open time. Just curious.
That being said, these furloughed pilots aren’t getting recalled. Let’s be real, and more furloughs are to come. This isn’t the same as a recession where all airlines are hurting and furloughing; this is different.
Any NK guys on here picking up open time? And swapping is still picking up open time. Just curious.
09-01-2025 | 01:14 PM
#1634
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09-01-2025 | 01:21 PM
#1635
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I don’t fault any person from abiding by the contract. Don’t like it don’t do it but judging others is wrong. Nothing we do will save any jobs so it doesn’t matter anyway. There is only so much open time.
if anyone has conviction, I already said what they can do. We are about to have 270 plus more the next round on the street.
MUP however needs to stop. It’s only a matter of time until they quit paying it and we are SOL like every other NCC not getting paid.
if anyone has conviction, I already said what they can do. We are about to have 270 plus more the next round on the street.
MUP however needs to stop. It’s only a matter of time until they quit paying it and we are SOL like every other NCC not getting paid.
09-01-2025 | 01:28 PM
#1636
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Soft disagree on the displaced peeps. If you moved your family to base, and now have to commute, and can trade 141 to not have to commute, that is not the same as picking up on top while others are waiting to get recalled, IMHO. Obviously the whole current situation is different, but still. (I was on the last page of the Master XY till furloughs happened)
Say you live in DFW, based in DFW, get displaced to IAH. Now youre in IAH and youre dropping IAH trips to pick up DFW...you are helping the company. You are allowing the company to not adequately staff DFW because they can count on all the open time being picked up. So they staff the base less, less reserves needed, and the odds them shrinking the base next round increased; "Hey we got guys who will clean up the open time". So guys picking up out of base because they were displaced really is "cutting off the nose to spite your face; you not only decrease the chance they increase staffing in that base, but probably help the odds the displace more next round.
Force the company to have to staff bases adequately, based on normal pickups.
09-01-2025 | 01:55 PM
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I get your point but will just add a soft disagree as well..
Say you live in DFW, based in DFW, get displaced to IAH. Now youre in IAH and youre dropping IAH trips to pick up DFW...you are helping the company. You are allowing the company to not adequately staff DFW because they can count on all the open time being picked up. So they staff the base less, less reserves needed, and the odds them shrinking the base next round increased; "Hey we got guys who will clean up the open time". So guys picking up out of base because they were displaced really is "cutting off the nose to spite your face; you not only decrease the chance they increase staffing in that base, but probably help the odds the displace more next round.
Force the company to have to staff bases adequately, based on normal pickups.
Say you live in DFW, based in DFW, get displaced to IAH. Now youre in IAH and youre dropping IAH trips to pick up DFW...you are helping the company. You are allowing the company to not adequately staff DFW because they can count on all the open time being picked up. So they staff the base less, less reserves needed, and the odds them shrinking the base next round increased; "Hey we got guys who will clean up the open time". So guys picking up out of base because they were displaced really is "cutting off the nose to spite your face; you not only decrease the chance they increase staffing in that base, but probably help the odds the displace more next round.
Force the company to have to staff bases adequately, based on normal pickups.
09-01-2025 | 03:16 PM
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I get your point but will just add a soft disagree as well..
Say you live in DFW, based in DFW, get displaced to IAH. Now youre in IAH and youre dropping IAH trips to pick up DFW...you are helping the company. You are allowing the company to not adequately staff DFW because they can count on all the open time being picked up. So they staff the base less, less reserves needed, and the odds them shrinking the base next round increased; "Hey we got guys who will clean up the open time". So guys picking up out of base because they were displaced really is "cutting off the nose to spite your face; you not only decrease the chance they increase staffing in that base, but probably help the odds the displace more next round.
Force the company to have to staff bases adequately, based on normal pickups.
Say you live in DFW, based in DFW, get displaced to IAH. Now youre in IAH and youre dropping IAH trips to pick up DFW...you are helping the company. You are allowing the company to not adequately staff DFW because they can count on all the open time being picked up. So they staff the base less, less reserves needed, and the odds them shrinking the base next round increased; "Hey we got guys who will clean up the open time". So guys picking up out of base because they were displaced really is "cutting off the nose to spite your face; you not only decrease the chance they increase staffing in that base, but probably help the odds the displace more next round.
Force the company to have to staff bases adequately, based on normal pickups.
09-01-2025 | 03:18 PM
#1639
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All NK pilots who want/think you need to leave should be putting apps in everywhere, including DL. Best of luck to all.
09-01-2025 | 04:22 PM
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I get your point but will just add a soft disagree as well..
Say you live in DFW, based in DFW, get displaced to IAH. Now youre in IAH and youre dropping IAH trips to pick up DFW...you are helping the company. You are allowing the company to not adequately staff DFW because they can count on all the open time being picked up. So they staff the base less, less reserves needed, and the odds them shrinking the base next round increased; "Hey we got guys who will clean up the open time". So guys picking up out of base because they were displaced really is "cutting off the nose to spite your face; you not only decrease the chance they increase staffing in that base, but probably help the odds the displace more next round.
Force the company to have to staff bases adequately, based on normal pickups.
Say you live in DFW, based in DFW, get displaced to IAH. Now youre in IAH and youre dropping IAH trips to pick up DFW...you are helping the company. You are allowing the company to not adequately staff DFW because they can count on all the open time being picked up. So they staff the base less, less reserves needed, and the odds them shrinking the base next round increased; "Hey we got guys who will clean up the open time". So guys picking up out of base because they were displaced really is "cutting off the nose to spite your face; you not only decrease the chance they increase staffing in that base, but probably help the odds the displace more next round.
Force the company to have to staff bases adequately, based on normal pickups.
And did that stop them from growing the base? Hell no, it grew like wildfire.
I don't think I've ever met a pilot who is going to forego a contractual right that would make their life easier.
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