View Poll Results: Displace back to FO or Commute for Left Seat?

Displace back to First Officer to avoid Commuting?

51.28%

Commute to Short Call RSV to keep Left Seat?

48.72%

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07-27-2025 | 03:56 PM

#101

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Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH

thanks man, I for sure will do that. But what a fun conversation to have with two highschoolers and a middle schooler…..hey I know sports is everything to you guys, and you guys are good enough to get some D1 Scholarships in Volleyball and Baseball, but all your club sports, personal coaching, and camps need to end because daddy chose to put his entire faith in this POS Ultra Low Cost Carrier. That should go over well for our relationships. They already struggle after their mother and I divorced during Covid.

Kids are resiliant, they will make it. But you are right, when an airline goes under and the paychecks instantly go to zero, it has a deep impact on all involved. I watched my old man become a functioning alcoholic after Brannif 1.0 and Braniff 2.0 went under. He ended up doing some overseas work but he was never the same. My uncle lost his house when the first Midway went under. Him and my Aunt and my cousins all had to move in with my Grandparents for a few years till he finally landed a Corporate gig. There stories are why I took the pay cut for a few years and started over at Delta. There are a handful of airlines that are to big to fail, but Spirit isn’t on that list. Plan accordingly.

07-27-2025 | 03:57 PM

#102

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Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH

4 kids, 1 headed to college, 2 in highschool, one in her last year of middle school. Only debt I have is the house. Cars are paid off, no credit cards. But it still takes the better part of $25,000-$30,000 a month to run our house with all the sports my kids play. If this place folds, I’ll burn almost $400,000 if it takes me a year to start getting decent paychecks somewhere else.

yeah nobody feels bad for you, if it takes 25-30k to run your house as a pilot you have zero survival skills. Sorry but you suck with money…

07-27-2025 | 04:06 PM

#103

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Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH

This career will test you, Look at the positives if you take a hit financially you have time to apply with some income. There’s about to be 600 Pilots Furloughed with no income coming in

07-27-2025 | 04:14 PM

#104

CincoDeMayo

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Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH

Your kids shouldn’t resent you for this happening, hurt your relationship? Why? Cause they don’t have personal coaching any longer?? How is being a FO going to swing $30k a month in bills, or ACMI, Frontier FO, or Breeze FO?

Im still trying to figure how you earned $500k plus as a NK CA to being with. Even with your only debt being the house, (scared to see that house payment) Sorry but all the kiddo stuff gets cut until there is a solution. Welcome to life, kiddos, life isn’t fair.

07-27-2025 | 04:20 PM

#105

LNAVVNAVPATH

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Originally Posted by HoustonRockets

This career will test you, Look at the positives if you take a hit financially you have time to apply with some income. There’s about to be 600 Pilots Furloughed with no income coming in

yeah, sucks this is happening to all of us. Great group of pilots here.

07-27-2025 | 04:25 PM

#106

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Originally Posted by AllOva736

yeah nobody feels bad for you, if it takes 25-30k to run your house as a pilot you have zero survival skills. Sorry but you suck with money…

Thanks for that.

Taxes and Union Dues $5,000
House Payment $5,500
Club Sports 3 Kids, $3,500
Food $4,000
Gas and Insurance $3,000 (3 Teenagers)
Alamony 1st Wife $2,000
Utilities and Phones $2,000
Medical and Insurance $1,000 (Braces)

07-27-2025 | 04:28 PM

#107

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Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH

my god man, take a step back and get a deep breath. It sounds like you’re trying to provide a life beyond your means.

07-27-2025 | 04:28 PM

#108

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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

I’ve never even come close to that as a Captain. Best year I had as a Captain was $327K in 2023. That’s why this contract sucks so bad for RSV. Can’t drop, so with only 12 days off, not much chance to do any premium. It’s pathetic really. My buddies flying 757 and 767s at United as 3rd year FOs are making more than me. My one buddy who is a 9 year Captain at United made twice what I made last year, working less days than I worked. I really got blinded by the lie of our QOL, not much different than anywhere else I’m finding out. We just heavily subsidize it.

07-27-2025 | 04:32 PM

#109

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Originally Posted by HoustonRockets

Haven’t reduced lines historically been offered to offset furloughs?

Not here. Our NC did a bang up job. The only thing they did was get themselves a few furloughs cancelled when the union guys had class dates at AA postponed

07-27-2025 | 04:42 PM

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Not here. Our NC did a bang up job. The only thing they did was get themselves a few furloughs cancelled when the union guys had class dates at AA postponed

They asked and Spirit said hard pass. Nothing anyone can do about that. They needed to cut staff. They weren’t interested in finding full benefits for a bunch of pilots working part time. And frankly it was the right move. This wasn’t 2008. Many of those pilots are in better positions now anyway.