Definitely!

Where it gets tricky is if/when/how long it takes to lose access to the CASS system as that is what allows you to continue to have "cockpit access." If it comes to this and CASS is disabled on the airline end, then Jumpseat can still be offered, but only in a seat in the back.

So, if it comes to that end, getting home early would be well advised.

Removal from the CASS system would happen immediately, however most airlines would allow crews to catch a ride home riding in the back at no cost, provided there is an empty seat.

Thank you !

filler

Sterileman is the guy who sits in your jumpseat and calls pro standards afterwords

This is 100% true. What’s also true is the 15th of this month is also crucial for securing the next round of DIP financing. If that doesn’t happen, well….​​​​​​

Sadly, operational performance over the last two weeks has been unimpressive.

Spirits performance the last 3 days has been near perfect so something has improved.

the amount of daily flights decreased from holiday peak making it manageable for bend-over?

That’s your logic? Sound bro, sound!

In the current predicament, operational performance needs to be perfect all the time. Time is running out. NK needs to show creditors and any potential buyers that it can be a stellar performing company. That has not happened over the last two weeks when it needs to happen. Nobody has made a move to buy and performance has not been good overall. These are two things that the next DIP payment requires. Crossing fingers that NK will survive the next 30 days.

it’s hard to perform in that fashion when you trim every dollar from the operation that you can and then you cut front line employees pay during the holiday season when most of them think they’re losing their jobs anyways.

Then it sounds like you've already given up.

Unfortunately time ran out a long time ago… too many will just continue to cash out sick time before they leave anyway. This is the final nail in the coffin. All the reserves that toed the line in years past are all gone. Of the people left planning to “ride it out” many are close to retirement, use NK as some kind of part time gig, extremely low time, or are people who have cheated the system for years and want to keep doing it. Not the ideal workforce from a management perspective. ALPA still seems like they are in screw the company mode which won’t help. Every week more and more are gone. This problem is only getting worse as legacy hiring picks up again at a massive pace.

100% this ^^^^. I think we will see attrition hit over 300 this month, that will be almost 8% of the airline that’s left. And everyone leaving will start burning that sick time.

No one is buying us.

AA is in full debt reduction mode.
UA hates us.
DAL wouldn’t be caught dead with us.
WN doesn’t want 115 Broke Dick NEOs.
B6 was Denied
HA and AK are entering the honey moon stage
Allegiant is a Travel Company
Avelo is furloughing.
Sun Country is to small.

And then there is Frontier, the ULCC that hasn’t had a contract in 900 days and is also hemoraging money.

Some say Indigo, but Franke already has his hand in 4 sh!tyy ULCCs, he doesn’t need a 5th.

Our only real shot was JetBlue…..but hey………..”This One’s for you!”

Come on Breeze has a better chance of buying Spirit than Avelo does lol

The fleet now is majority CEO and the NEOs left don’t have powdered metal issues.

No one hates or wouldn’t be caught dead with Spirit, it’s that what they have to offer isn’t worth the time and expense of an acquisition. The good news is that those who are hiring really like the Spirit pilots and they have been getting hired in large numbers.

You must have missed the part about Volaris/Viva Aerobus merger announcement and forgotten about the previous merger attempts.

Not true. We have 111 aircraft in service.

52 A320 CEOs
15 A320 NEOs
23 A321 CEOs
21 A321 NEOs.

Many of the 320s and a handful of the 321s still need to address the AD, it’s just a ways out. Bendo said it would last till 2031.

This is what I should cling to? The hopes that Mexican ULCCs which have no Unions and pay their Captains $80,000 a year buy a 49% interest in us so we can have a Code Share via Cancun with Volaris? This is what’s going to save us now from the Billions of debt and the total lack of any profits going on 6 years in a row?

You must have missed the part that this isn’t Mexico

The big picture is that those that control billions and multiple airlines still have a goal and as recently as a year ago had Spirit as a part of that goal. Will it happen or succeed? I don’t know but hope is not lost yet.

You are talking about Indigo representing Frontier? This maybe would have worked back in 2022. But now, it would be like when KMart bought Sears.

Pretty damned accurate.

I don’t see the comparison to two struggling legacy retailers. If anything that would be more like the US Airways and AA merger. Spirit frontier could be compared to dollar tree buying family dollar, which didn’t work, but I think comparing airlines to retail (that were greatly affected by Amazon) is a lazy take.


The Monthly Fee Statement of Davis Polk & Wardwell shows that they had multiple offers to review at the end of December.
The Viva and Volaris merger is just a hint that indigo and Franke are shaking things up.

Lastly does a 10% cap on credit cards interest hurt legacies enough that basic economy can’t be subsidized to the same degree? Those effects are far off (if it happens at all) but the industry is constantly changing and Franke may still think having a bigger ULCC with low CASM puts you in a position to succeed in the long run.

The 10% cap was on a "truth" post, so that's not exactly a legally binding anything. Second of all, the "truth" post says it is only for one year, so what impact will that have? Third, the Trump admin already scrubbed a Biden policy that limited credit card fees to $8 a month which would have saved American families $10 billion per year, so you can see which side off the aisle Trump is going to side with. I don't think 10% is gonna happen, but I guess we shall see.

My question is does basic economy set the low end of the prices or do the ULCCs? If it’s BE than ya the ULCCs are probably in big trouble. According to the, very old now and prior to BE, study describing the jetblue effect the low end sets the prices. So If we aren’t fighting with each other do we get to ratchet up the prices over time? Do we get rid of overlap to compete more effectively? Certainly more possible.

Frontier is currently showing a turn around from massive losses to a profit in Q4. It’s not a trend yet but it’s a start. New CEO, new VP of flight ops who happens to have experience in mergers, new CP incoming, investment in seats, major backend processes, 10% fleet growth and a large block hour increase in 2025. Then Indigo is trying to merge two Mexican carriers to be the dominant Mexican airline who would also happen to have a code share with possible the only American ULCC. I just have a hard time seeing all of these as coincidences any longer and see them as more of a plan that was supposed to happen twice before now.

Will it happen and even if it does will it matter? I have no idea but I’m cautiously optimistic.

Except KMart and Sears both went under, and US Airways and American went on to become one of the largest airlines in the world and is the direct reason we got our a$$es beat with this basic economy tickets.

Lets just say you are right about ULCCs setting the price. As a stand alone, we have no chance given our new route network. What do we fly to, 4 airports west of the Mississippi now? B6 just announced FLL to DFW. Sharks are in the water and offering destinations 3x a week isn’t good for reattracting customers we have driven away.

And let’s say there is a Merger, we don’t have the cash on hand right now to make payroll at the end of the month unless we get another round of DIP financing this week. Zero chance we can make it long enough to go through the regulatory approval to complete an entire merger. We will be out of liquidity by the time we have our first scheduled hearing with the DOJ.

Sun Country and Allegiant now joining up.

Those same monthly fee statement bill hundreds of thousands dollars looking into a liquidation analysis.

one things for sure news has to come soon

[QUOTE=CincoDeMayo;3990770]Sun Country and Allegiant now joining up.[/


Only one dance partner left

Again everyone here is getting lost in the weeds here. For starters, if Franke/Indigo is your knight in shining armor that should be a reality check for you. At the end of the day it’s already over stop debating over retail metaphors to relate it too. No one left to staff it leading to massive losses on top of more massive losses. Get those apps out…

No one thinks Indigo is a knight in shining armor, just a life raft. That's it. There's some good guys and gals at Spirit that can't get a call for whatever reason. Anyone who wants to leave has already filled out all of the apps. You giving them unsolicited career advice isn't helpful.

I love it when people feel the need to instruct other people on what they should do, especially when it comes to major personal, life decisions.

He may think that. Doesn't mean he's right.

Allegiant apparently thinks that as well

I will always advise people to do things like not smoke crack….or leave a company that is about to bankrupt for one that isn’t. I will concede you are correct, unemployment is a personal decision and I was out of line.

100%. It took PanAm and Eastern a decade to gut themselves by 50%, we did it inside 12 months. We have reached a point of no return. No one is going to buy what’s left. The other carriers are going to just let us die a quick death, and then pick at the carcass and take what they want. Franke will be the first Vulture to swoop in and bust is wallet out at the liquidation sale.