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Stankhunt42 01-12-2026 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH (Post 3991107)
100%. It took PanAm and Eastern a decade to gut themselves by 50%, we did it inside 12 months. We have reached a point of no return. No one is going to buy what’s left. The other carriers are going to just let us die a quick death, and then pick at the carcass and take what they want. Franke will be the first Vulture to swoop in and bust is wallet out at the liquidation sale.

absolutely this. I don’t get why it is so taboo to come onto APC and tell people to jump ship. Even I waited too long but it took people around me telling me to get out to finally make the jump. I’m happy again, it’s nice to live in a world where I don’t have to worry if i will have a job at the end of the day. Movement is crazy right now at AA/UA and we will find ourselves in the left seat again hopefully soon. Let NK go, it’s over. Although not as many as most left but 9 years was not easy to give up. Still glad I did. Outside super low time FOs who shouldn’t have been at spirit to begin with if the industry was not hiring record low time guys and girls for a time, if you wanna leave you can. These “good guys and gals” that are getting shut down in interviews come across arrogant. That’s the only reason they aren’t getting picked up. A lot of that comes from not just letting NK go. Accept reality, move on

DirkDiggler9999 01-12-2026 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991254)
absolutely this. I don’t get why it is so taboo to come onto APC and tell people to jump ship. Even I waited too long but it took people around me telling me to get out to finally make the jump. I’m happy again, it’s nice to live in a world where I don’t have to worry if i will have a job at the end of the day. Movement is crazy right now at AA/UA and we will find ourselves in the left seat again hopefully soon. Let NK go, it’s over. Although not as many as most left but 9 years was not easy to give up. Still glad I did. Outside super low time FOs who shouldn’t have been at spirit to begin with if the industry was not hiring record low time guys and girls for a time, if you wanna leave you can. These “good guys and gals” that are getting shut down in interviews come across arrogant. That’s the only reason they aren’t getting picked up. A lot of that comes from not just letting NK go. Accept reality, move on

Great post! Still lots of guys with the “not slinging gear for anybody” attitude. Everyone has a choice on what to do but I’m sure sleeping is better when the worry is gone. Flew with one guy that has financially overextended himself to show his AA friends that NK is just as good. He’s too broke to leave now.

LTJ9 01-12-2026 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991254)
… Let NK go, it’s over…. A lot of that comes from not just letting NK go. Accept reality, move on

I think it’s time for you to move on from the spirit forums and let NK go.

Stankhunt42 01-12-2026 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by LTJ9 (Post 3991279)
I think it’s time for you to move on from the spirit forums and let NK go.


it’s hard to look away from a train going off the rails man…..especially with a post shoving it in everyone’s face that spirit made it into 2026. The confidence of the OP. I’m here for it. Also it would be a lie to say I don’t care completely. It’s gut wrenching what’s happing at spirit. I loved my time there. There is a level of arrogance from people still there who mocked those of us who left. Now it’s not looking good. Again I cant look away.

coffeeparty 01-12-2026 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991292)
it’s hard to look away from a train going off the rails man…..especially with a post shoving it in everyone’s face that spirit made it into 2026. The confidence of the OP. I’m here for it. Also it would be a lie to say I don’t care completely. It’s gut wrenching what’s happing at spirit. I loved my time there. There is a level of arrogance from people still there who mocked those of us who left. Now it’s not looking good. Again I cant look away.

A level of arrogance from people still here? Go home, you're drunk.

BKbigfish 01-12-2026 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991292)
it’s hard to look away from a train going off the rails man…..especially with a post shoving it in everyone’s face that spirit made it into 2026. The confidence of the OP. I’m here for it. Also it would be a lie to say I don’t care completely. It’s gut wrenching what’s happing at spirit. I loved my time there. There is a level of arrogance from people still there who mocked those of us who left. Now it’s not looking good. Again I cant look away.

Lol… what? I’ve certainly seen a severe lack of grace and humility from plenty of people on this forum but it has not been coming from those that are sticking it out for personal reasons (the two troll accounts don’t count). Anyways… happy to hear this has been entertaining for you. Enjoy the show.

Lakeaffect 01-12-2026 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991292)
it’s hard to look away from a train going off the rails man…..especially with a post shoving it in everyone’s face that spirit made it into 2026. The confidence of the OP. I’m here for it. Also it would be a lie to say I don’t care completely. It’s gut wrenching what’s happing at spirit. I loved my time there. There is a level of arrogance from people still there who mocked those of us who left. Now it’s not looking good. Again I cant look away.

Omg, I know right. So annoying for you that Spirit hasn’t liquidated. How frustrating that the OP had to rub that in your face.

Honestly, Good for you for moving on. You should feel good about it, you probably made the right decision. No need to root for their demise just to nurse a grievance

Tx Paratroopr 01-12-2026 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3991315)
Omg, I know right. So annoying for you that Spirit hasn’t liquidated. How frustrating that the OP had to rub that in your face.

Honestly, Good for you for moving on. You should feel good about it, you probably made the right decision. No need to root for their demise just to nurse a grievance

Yes so many people foaming at the mouth ready to shout I told you so to everyone still here. All so they feel validated in their choice to leave. It's quite disgusting honestly. It's like the longer it takes the hungrier they get.

Stankhunt42 01-12-2026 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Tx Paratroopr (Post 3991317)
Yes so many people foaming at the mouth ready to shout I told you so to everyone still here. All so they feel validated in their choice to leave. It's quite disgusting honestly. It's like the longer it takes the hungrier they get.

It goes both ways…read the original post, calling people out by name, which is why we are here. Oh and also feeling validated they are still employed. Had people not been so militant about those of us moving on, no one would have cared. Again it goes both ways.

LifetimeCFI 01-12-2026 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991292)
it’s hard to look away from a train going off the rails man…..especially with a post shoving it in everyone’s face that spirit made it into 2026. The confidence of the OP. I’m here for it. Also it would be a lie to say I don’t care completely. It’s gut wrenching what’s happing at spirit. I loved my time there. There is a level of arrogance from people still there who mocked those of us who left. Now it’s not looking good. Again I cant look away.

Outsider observation: the arrogance and mockery you speak of has been one-way traffic, and it isn't the Spirit peeps.

Sounds like you need to move on.

Noisecanceller 01-13-2026 02:54 AM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991404)
It goes both ways…read the original post, calling people out by name, which is why we are here. Oh and also feeling validated they are still employed. Had people not been so militant about those of us moving on, no one would have cared. Again it goes both ways.

Stop looking in the rear view mirror. How long did it take you to stop visiting the regional forums when you came to spirit. You’ll we fine and the people at spirit will be fine. Get over it. Move on.

Stankhunt42 01-13-2026 03:11 AM


Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 3991413)
Outsider observation: the arrogance and mockery you speak of has been one-way traffic, and it isn't the Spirit peeps.

Sounds like you need to move on.


Not very observant… or honest. Will there be a post titled: BENDO WAS WRONG and a list of account names who said otherwise when NK closes. I doubt it.

Tx Paratroopr 01-13-2026 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991438)
Not very observant… or honest. Will there be a post titled: BENDO WAS WRONG and a list of account names who said otherwise when NK closes. I doubt it.

Did you read the original post? It had everything to do with naming people that have come on here weekly shouting about spirits down fall. It had nothing to do with anyone leaving. No one and I do mean no one, cares about the people leaving and proving them wrong. Everyone and I do mean everyone is just thinking about how lucky we are to have made it another day/week and still employed.


Noisecanceller 01-13-2026 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991438)
Not very observant… or honest. Will there be a post titled: BENDO WAS WRONG and a list of account names who said otherwise when NK closes. I doubt it.


Now get lost

Stankhunt42 01-13-2026 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Tx Paratroopr (Post 3991503)
Did you read the original post? It had everything to do with naming people that have come on here weekly shouting about spirits down fall. It had nothing to do with anyone leaving. No one and I do mean no one, cares about the people leaving and proving them wrong. Everyone and I do mean everyone is just thinking about how lucky we are to have made it another day/week and still employed.


Dishonest post. Plenty has been said about “purging” spirit how we will all regret our choices blah blah blah. Let’s not pretend one side is pure as the driven snow. Be honest with yourself here is a quote off the good things are coming our way. There are hundreds similar.

“We purged the ranks thanks to legacy’s flood gates opening. The only ones left are the best.”

Tx Paratroopr 01-13-2026 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991563)
Dishonest post. Plenty has been said about “purging” spirit how we will all regret our choices blah blah blah. Let’s not pretend one side is pure as the driven snow. Be honest with yourself here is a quote off the good things are coming our way. There are hundreds similar.

“We purged the ranks thanks to legacy’s flood gates opening. The only ones left are the best.”

Not a dishonest post I simply responded to you talking about the original post. I'm sorry I haven't read every single post. So in summary yes your post are disgusting and so are those taunting those that have choosen to leave. Glad we could sum that up.

Stankhunt42 01-13-2026 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Tx Paratroopr (Post 3991573)
Not a dishonest post I simply responded to you talking about the original post. I'm sorry I haven't read every single post. So in summary yes your post are disgusting and so are those taunting those that have choosen to leave. Glad we could sum that up.

“no one and I mean no one” well i guess that was dishonest and you just admitted it, I appriciate that. Quit clutching your pearls and actually read what people are saying.Both sides threw their stones.

Lakeaffect 01-13-2026 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Stankhunt42 (Post 3991586)
“no one and I mean no one” well i guess that was dishonest and you just admitted it, I appriciate that. Quit clutching your pearls and actually read what people are saying.Both sides threw their stones.

Both sides threw stones. But you are one of the sides that is throwing stones while lambasting the other side for doing the exact same thing. The last few posts have just been pointing out your hypocrisy. You’re doing the exact thing you are complaining about.

symbian simian 01-13-2026 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by TheCalmCaptain (Post 3987129)
In just a few hours it will be 2026 and I’m proud to announce, Kirby was wrong! We are still here and more resilient and determined than ever. Kirby tried everything to put us out of business from mirroring our à la cart business model, undercutting prices on our routes, obsessively bad mouthing us, failed attempt to purchase targeted assets and last but not least teaming up with JetBlue to drive our FLL yields down. Well, we’re still here.
I’m so proud of this “down with the ship” pilot group. 2026 is going to be a great year for us!
Below is the list of the relentless “Spirit is liquidating by the end of 2025” cheerleaders.
Sorry guys, you were wrong.

I am one of the ones called out in OPs post. Just went through my last 500 posts. Not only was the vast majority not related to NK, these are AFAIK the only ones that mentioned NK not surviving:


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3932145)
One of the reasons I left was the union, or lack there of. Every grievance I filed prior to 2023 I got paid extra. Every grievance I filed after 2023 I lost, due to incredible poor interpretation of the cba. I called my rep about a blatant contract violation, and he literally told me they were aware of the situation. But weren't going to do anything about it. It was hard leaving, not just because of seat, seniority, or pay, but because I liked working there. I just couldn't get past how both management and the union had given up.


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3981600)
I left after over a decade with less than a decade to go. I left before the first bankruptcy. I left because I did not see anything that management did was going to turn things around (I suggest you read Plan B, I mean "project Bravo"). I left because I lost faith in the few union reps that didn't leave (I lost 3 grievances in a row that were clear contract violations). I liked working there, and I am still on here because I like the pilots of Spirit, and want them to keep their jobs.
Having said all that, I do think Spirit is unlikely to survive on its own, and not an attractive merger partner. I think for most of the competition Spirit failing sounds better than buying Spirit. All of the ex-NK I talk to feel this way, none of us want NK to fail, just so we feel better about leaving. I feel validated in my choice with Spirit still around by being happy going to work.


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3932518)
I left because I didn't think it would get better. It was a hard decision because I will never get back the seniority I had. So when I see the current announcement it validates my decision. That is in no way a celebration of what the NK pilots are going through. Regardless if they chose to stay or could not leave, they did not deserve this. Hindsight is always better, and I should have left when I told everyone to leave. And I don't expect or deserve sympathy for that. Just because people are calling out the likes of Lincoln doesn't mean they are gloating about your situation. They are calling out his unwarranted optimism in the face of facts.

Just having the opinion that NK will not survive is not the same as cheering for it. And I think the vast majority of ex-NK feels this way.

hoover 01-13-2026 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3991607)
I am one of the ones called out in OPs post. Just went through my last 500 posts. Not only was the vast majority not related to NK, these are AFAIK the only ones that mentioned NK not surviving:







Just having the opinion that NK will not survive is not the same as cheering for it. And I think the vast majority of ex-NK feels this way.

last 500? I would have stopped at 10 max. Who cares what other anonymous people think. 99% are just trying to rile others up.

Stankhunt42 01-13-2026 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3991607)
I am one of the ones called out in OPs post. Just went through my last 500 posts. Not only was the vast majority not related to NK, these are AFAIK the only ones that mentioned NK not surviving:







Just having the opinion that NK will not survive is not the same as cheering for it. And I think the vast majority of ex-NK feels this way.

absolutely you were listed on this post as a cheerleader for the downfall of NK. Nothing that you said was out of line. Now here we are as people weaponize empathy for a remaining pilot group that has in many cases mocked those of us who went to a legacy. Even gloating they survived through the year despite the reality. Any mention of getting apps out you are the bad guy.
Oh and dont say anything that the people who are staying don’t like because they are victims and immune to any criticism even though they continue to be militant.

Jdub2 01-13-2026 09:32 AM

It is fascinating to watch the allegory of the cave play out in modern times. We always think we’re living in the age of reason but humans are just the same as 2500 years ago.

It’s valiant to try and help but as you can see you will only be reviled for having left the cave and realizing the shadows are just that.

In Exile 01-13-2026 10:59 AM

This original post is going to age like a fresh turd in the Fort Lauderdale sun.

Especially now that ALPA is begging the credit holders not to liquidate.

So Kirby was off by two weeks.....

Ted Striker 01-13-2026 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 3991669)
This original post is going to age like a fresh turd in the Fort Lauderdale sun.

Especially now that ALPA is begging the credit holders not to liquidate.

So Kirby was off by two weeks.....

Disregard ....

In Exile 01-13-2026 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Ted Striker (Post 3991677)
Disregard ....

For the sake of others who may have the same question.



https://www.alpa.org/Articles/2026/A...es-Bondholders

RiddleEagle18 01-13-2026 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 3991679)
For the sake of others who may have the same question.



https://www.alpa.org/Articles/2026/A...es-Bondholders


Not sure how privy ALPA is to merger talks or lack thereof, but if they are pleading for reorganization to continue I can’t imagine that’s a good sign.

flier320 01-13-2026 11:44 AM

Looking at lot like Kirby was right after all....

BlueJuicer17 01-13-2026 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by flier320 (Post 3991688)
Looking at lot like Kirby was right after all....

ACN says liquidation tomorrow, any truth to that?

RiddleEagle18 01-13-2026 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17 (Post 3991689)
ACN says liquidation tomorrow, any truth to that?


they reported that based on the ALPA letter but the ALPA letter says nothing about that so I think they are speculating.

airsense00 01-13-2026 12:00 PM

Well my bank usually shows a prepayment 2 business days prior to payday (15th) and it's not showing anything yet.

Jetlikespeed 01-13-2026 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17 (Post 3991689)
ACN says liquidation tomorrow, any truth to that?

they are the TMZ of the sky they report wrong things them delete them later on

I don’t believe anything ACN says esp wit no source

STIorSTD 01-13-2026 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by airsense00 (Post 3991692)
Well my bank usually shows a prepayment 2 business days prior to payday (15th) and it's not showing anything yet.

keep us posted… 🤞🏻🤞🏻

Hope everything works out for you guys

Washout 01-13-2026 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by TheCalmCaptain (Post 3987129)
In just a few hours it will be 2026 and I’m proud to announce, Kirby was wrong! We are still here and more resilient and determined than ever. Kirby tried everything to put us out of business from mirroring our à la cart business model, undercutting prices on our routes, obsessively bad mouthing us, failed attempt to purchase targeted assets and last but not least teaming up with JetBlue to drive our FLL yields down. Well, we’re still here!

I’m so proud of this “down with the ship” pilot group. 2026 is going to be a great year for us!

Below is the list of the relentless “Spirit is liquidating by the end of 2025” cheerleaders.

Sorry guys, you were wrong.

Noisecaceller
SSlow
Flyokish
Name user
Friendly pilot
Nry8
Busboi
StoneQOLdcrazy
LNAVVNAVPATH
DIRKDIGGLER9999
GPULLRSHRSAILPLANES
CINCODEMAYO
Fettywap
Putzin
FW90
Halon1211
Washout
Symbian simian
Jules Winfield
Bluejuice01
Washout
Bluespoon
BoeingBrat
TAFsMATTER
PowderKeg
Checkgear
flier320
Jac3d


Tick tock

🤷☠️

I said by May fwiw.

Frontier is next, AA and JB to chapter 11.

Sucks. I'm really sorry fellas. I'm in no way happy to be correct, but the global economy is in freefall. It's math.

Softpayman 01-13-2026 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Washout (Post 3991714)
Tick tock

🤷☠️

I said by May fwiw.

Frontier is next, AA and JB to chapter 11.

Sucks. I'm really sorry fellas. I'm in no way happy to be correct, but the global economy is in freefall. It's math.

Honestly we are a global conflict away from the entire industry going tits up . Imagine what is occurring in VZ and Ukraine but more widespread with jamming and war. Think Covid times but without the government shoving $$ in your pockets while you sit at home.

Not saying it’s gonna happen, but the possibility is there for sure.

LNAVVNAVPATH 01-13-2026 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by TheCalmCaptain (Post 3987129)
In just a few hours it will be 2026 and I’m proud to announce, Kirby was wrong! We are still here and more resilient and determined than ever. Kirby tried everything to put us out of business from mirroring our à la cart business model, undercutting prices on our routes, obsessively bad mouthing us, failed attempt to purchase targeted assets and last but not least teaming up with JetBlue to drive our FLL yields down. Well, we’re still here!

I’m so proud of this “down with the ship” pilot group. 2026 is going to be a great year for us!

Below is the list of the relentless “Spirit is liquidating by the end of 2025” cheerleaders.

Sorry guys, you were wrong.

Noisecaceller
SSlow
Flyokish
Name user
Friendly pilot
Nry8
Busboi
StoneQOLdcrazy
LNAVVNAVPATH
DIRKDIGGLER9999
GPULLRSHRSAILPLANES
CINCODEMAYO
Fettywap
Putzin
FW90
Halon1211
Washout
Symbian simian
Jules Winfield
Bluejuice01
Washout
Bluespoon
BoeingBrat
TAFsMATTER
PowderKeg
Checkgear
flier320
Jac3d

“I know the ULCC business model no longer works in the US because I’m really good at math.” -Scott Kirby

Looks like Mr Kirby was right all along. The $50 Million Christmas Miracle trenche of DIP Financing is the only reason this thread even exists. Sounds like the January 15th payment isn’t going through. Game Over for us. I’ll see you standing in the lines at the next round of Job Fairs Mr Calm Captain.

rickair7777 01-13-2026 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 3991722)
Honestly we are a global conflict away from the entire industry going tits up . Imagine what is occurring in VZ and Ukraine but more widespread with jamming and war. Think Covid times but without the government shoving $$ in your pockets while you sit at home.

Not saying it’s gonna happen, but the possibility is there for sure.

Always a possibility for that sort of thing, but it's not any more likely now than any other time. Little regional brushfires don't matter. We're not going to war with RU. China would be an issue, big mess west of HI and would likely spill over a little bit to other regions.

Tx Paratroopr 01-13-2026 02:16 PM

Looks like acn pulled the post for some reason.

ExWallStPilot 01-13-2026 02:19 PM

Spirit was supposed to close down in December and it was all over the news. I just checked my bank account after all this fear. I got paid, its showing "pending" currently. Spirit may or may not close down, all I say is "believe it when you see it". Until its official, dont believe the BS on APC

GPullR 01-13-2026 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3991737)
Always a possibility for that sort of thing, but it's any more likely now than any other time. Little regional brushfires don't matter. We're not going to war with RU. China would be an issue, big mess west of HI and would likely spill over a little bit to other reasons.

orange man tries to take Greenland you can watch bottom 20% to furlough overnight at every US airline. . International travel all over.

rickair7777 01-13-2026 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3991747)
orange man tries to take Greenland you can watch bottom 20% to furlough overnight. International travel all over.

Easy on the TDS, that's not happening, no senior military officer would obey such an order, to seize territory from a NATO ally :rolleyes:

The smack talk is apparently for the benefit of Denmark, to indicate serious intent, and also for RU to indicate that we are willing to change the status quo.

There are actually several good strategic reasons to either acquire Greenland, or ink some kind of long-term arrangement to allow the US essentially unlimited access for military purposes. Mostly having to do with countering/containing RU. It's strategic potential vastly outweighs the impact on it's tiny population which wouldn't even amount to a small city in the US. We might get their cooperation by simply paying them all bonuses if it comes to that.

The way this has been broached is typical uncivil hyperbole, but the actual concept isn't unreasonable nor is it the first time the US has considered this. Why now again? Melting ice and opening northern sea lanes.


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