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Old 06-27-2015 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
Just be careful about giving the 4 days off up. I'm not advocating one way or the other but bc of the new 117 rules ( rolling not 30/7) they could just continually schedule with two days a week off if they felt like it.
Not if you have a min 16 days off in the month. You're right, with the current 13 days off they could and that's why it would never be considered.
Old 06-27-2015 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by frotter
Fountainhead Speech

If we take a moment and educate ourselves on the reality of the relationship between the players in this field, we may reconsider relieving any of those players(mgt) from the outcome of their incompetence (scheduling/gate/ops staffing/outsourcing), poor planning (no thought about contingencies) , and welfare minded reliance on other parties in our product(team players GIVE AWAY their skill/time/product, when mgt cries desperation from the position in which THEY put themselves). The link attached is to a good read addressing how we should approach negotiating the worth of our service, not from our position, but from MANAGMENT's...they have a need for our service...our negotiations should be a function of THAT NEED, not OUR WANT.

NKS shareholders, BB included, have reaped enormous gain from our labor...it is a function of that marketplace success/gain from which we should be discussing how much THEY NEED our skill. Throw in how we rescued them from their own misguided course deviations of the recent past, and our options as SKILLED AGENTS in the work place, and how we can go and be compensated appropriately for the skill, expertise, and hard work, elsewhere if the place shuts down as a function of THEIR POOR PERFORMANCE. I would feel ridden hard and put away, if I neglected my own home world, to pitch in and stave of Spirit's crash of this recent IROP, and then receive this slap in the face of this NC update.
I like what you're saying, but because of the idiocy of those before us who put together the seniority system by date of hire in place, I can't just up and leave because management doesn't value my skill. We can't do a scorched earth policy. I do not want to start over somewhere else, year one and have to wait out my time to get some more seniority. Early enough in airline history, the die was cast to stifle lateral moves within the industry.
Old 06-27-2015 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
I thought 5 yrs of pinnacle training prepared you enough.
One would think
Old 06-28-2015 | 05:52 AM
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Jason, thanks for doing what you do. I do not think anyone here would want your job.
Now that management is giving us a s### sandwich, it will be interesting to see how they weather the next IROP. Only a moron would pick up open time or come in on his day off to help. Management is just interested in higher profit margins and walking all over the employees to get them. This is exactly how unions came about. Too much Greed at the top. Even wall street questions the sustainability. This company is weak right now. They have ****ed off every workgroup and our customers. We need new management that is interested in the long term growth and sustainability.
Old 06-28-2015 | 08:50 AM
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I'm joining the bandwagon I guess Jason. What did you expect?! If anything I think what you experienced will get you a little closer to the the mindset of the type of management team your dealing with. Another year or two and maybe you'll graduate to a full understanding. We give-give-give, they take-take-take! And then what do we get? A big kick in the sack along with the HR feel good fluff: "thanks for all you do", "friends flying friends", yada yada. Geee..... isn't life grand.....my company loves me........PUUUUUKE! I truly get wanting to do your part to help. It's in our nature (most of us anyway) yet when you get kicked in the nuts enough, it puts one in a bad position because if you start to realize how much your being taken advantage of, it forces you to have to consciously turn away from that nature or it will continue!

By the way I do appreciate your efforts also. I do believe you have good intent even though it seemed you attached yourself to the tinfoil crowd initially! But as usual I see a lot of them have turned on you! It seems time may have enlightened you a bit? I've never done any union work but do understand its a thankless position......especially at this airline! Never been around so many conspiracy type haters in my life! Especially in regard to our NC. The abuse they take yet continue to work hard on our behalf! They can't always get everything right guys! But they do understand this management so let them do their job and thank them!
Old 06-28-2015 | 09:03 AM
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I believe the boys and girls upstairs made a huge mistake showing their colors so early. As long as we don't fracture, this could be a huge positive lesson going forward. Too bad it has to be that way though
Old 06-28-2015 | 09:20 AM
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You can only kick a dog so many times before it turns around and bites you...

Fly your line
Old 06-28-2015 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj
You can only kick a dog so many times before it turns around and bites you...

Fly your line
I'm hopping on the bandwagon too! Fly your line fly the contract, don't do anything outside of it. Don't accept the junior man, a little pain now will reap us benefits down the road. Stay strong!
Old 06-28-2015 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
I'm hopping on the bandwagon too! Fly your line fly the contract, don't do anything outside of it. Don't accept the junior man, a little pain now will reap us benefits down the road. Stay strong!
It won't happen. Kiwi and the gang will not join the bandwagon unfortunately. There are others like kiwi in the gang as well that won't join the band wagon. This industry has proven that we are our own worst enemy and history keeps repeating itself. I am not to optimistic but I have some faith in our pilot group.

Fly the CONTRACT

FLY SAFE
Old 06-28-2015 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RideandDrive
Their offer was DOS + 5 still less than Jetblue and you give up transition.

Stop enabling them and helping them.
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