Spirit of NKS
09-04-2015 | 02:06 PM
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You will. You are going to lose 29/7 and transition conflict language in exchange for jerkBlue hourly pay plus 3%. It's on the table, bubba!
For the emotional crybabies who thought it would be a good idea to have an MEC of Mesa losers go up against the professional gangsters of Spirit management: The California drought is going to be cured from your tears when Ben and Bendo finish raping you on this contract. Ack-Ack and Friends will be there to help ease it in.
For the emotional crybabies who thought it would be a good idea to have an MEC of Mesa losers go up against the professional gangsters of Spirit management: The California drought is going to be cured from your tears when Ben and Bendo finish raping you on this contract. Ack-Ack and Friends will be there to help ease it in.
09-04-2015 | 02:28 PM
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And yeah, you were the only one against the efb loa.
09-04-2015 | 02:34 PM
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So is the 29/7 being trading for J.B. + 3% pay rates? I'm new, what's the 29/7? Sorry for asking.
09-04-2015 | 02:47 PM
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I thought the official fall-back whiner position of APCers was that transition only helped the ubber-senior that were lucky enough to work the system. Now one piece of that may be gone, and it's the end of the world. For the record, I don't like giving up 29/7 either.
And yeah, you were the only one against the efb loa.
And yeah, you were the only one against the efb loa.
09-04-2015 | 03:00 PM
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I personally like it, because I can cause all sorts of transition conflicts even if I don't work every single day in a row during transition.
People who like to pick up OT at 100% hate it because they can't pick up some high credit trips. And it does make trading some 4 day sequences problematic...
09-04-2015 | 04:50 PM
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Thanks didn't know if the 29/7 was something else. Does anyone at the Union have any idea the productive gains the company would get or how it would change the Crew scheduling matrix if the 29/7 was gone? Just wondering..
09-04-2015 | 04:53 PM
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Would you guys knock off the speculation? JetBlue rates plus 3%? Did you hear that from the same "legitimate" source that said we were close to a TA a day ago?
Wait for the TA, read it carefully and then decide.
On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
Wait for the TA, read it carefully and then decide.
On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
09-04-2015 | 05:50 PM
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I've had the 29/7 rule burn me more than it's helped. A bunch of trades I couldn't do because of it. It would have really helped me in the transition for Aug/sep but I wasn't senior enough to get the line that I wanted. So I'll gladly see it go. And I'm not one to pick up 100% trips. Just trying to improve my days off usually.
09-04-2015 | 06:17 PM
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On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
09-04-2015 | 09:25 PM
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All legit takes on 29/7. I'm not advocating keeping it or letting it go I'm just hoping we realize it's value to the company and it's a lot more than a 5.25 min day. That's what delta got for it in their part 117 loa last year. Ask them if they'd do it again. That one item is our highest leverage. Once the company has it in hand they have zero incentive to give us anything more. Attrition is the only other thing that could push them for a better contract and it's very slow at this time and collectively we don't control it. We own 29/7 and control it's worth if we are smart. It's only 2nd to going from hard lines to pbs on a productivity and value scale. Would we even consider pbs for a 5.25 min day? I don't think so. For an industry leading contract I'm sure. This is that valuable to them.
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