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Old 09-05-2015, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gringo View Post
Right now it's wiiiiiiiiide open.
ok thanks also assuming that nk will take more than two JS's.
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Old 09-05-2015, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv View Post
ok thanks also assuming that nk will take more than two JS's.
I do believe it's an unlimited jumpseat policy, yes.
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Old 09-05-2015, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 View Post
I've had the 29/7 rule burn me more than it's helped. A bunch of trades I couldn't do because of it. It would have really helped me in the transition for Aug/sep but I wasn't senior enough to get the line that I wanted. So I'll gladly see it go. And I'm not one to pick up 100% trips. Just trying to improve my days off usually.
I do believe we need more productive trips, regardless of whether 29/7 stays or goes. In fact, I think more productive trips would help in just about every aspect.
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Old 09-05-2015, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboyike View Post
I do believe we need more productive trips, regardless of whether 29/7 stays or goes. In fact, I think more productive trips would help in just about every aspect.
The trips ARE productive, for Spirit. If we want productive pairings we'll need to negotiate differently than we've done in the past. Don't hold your breath.
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Old 09-05-2015, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin View Post
Would you guys knock off the speculation? JetBlue rates plus 3%? Did you hear that from the same "legitimate" source that said we were close to a TA a day ago?

Wait for the TA, read it carefully and then decide.

On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
Calender day pay will never return. We fly too many single duty period trips that span two calender days, aka red eye turns. Our CBA is basic and unsophisticated. It will need to become complicated, become specialized, in order to properly address multi day pairings.
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Old 09-05-2015, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din View Post
No way JB +3% is even presented to us. These guys know they'd be out on there arse in a flash.

I'm not blind enough to think they are going to offer AA rates out of the gate but no way our NC stupid enough to even present to us such a low ball offer. There would be pitchforks and torches.

Here's the rhetotic

1. We are a ulcc without the economy of scale of the legacies therefore we can't get paid their rates and get their benefits.

2. A quick deal gets money in your pocket sooner than a protracted negotiation so you end up with more money

3. This is the best we can get. If you vote NO we won't see another deal for several years.



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Old 09-05-2015, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gonyon View Post
Here's the rhetotic

1. We are a ulcc without the economy of scale of the legacies therefore we can't get paid their rates and get their benefits.

2. A quick deal gets money in your pocket sooner than a protracted negotiation so you end up with more money

3. This is the best we can get. If you vote NO we won't see another deal for several years.



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As far as 2&3 are concerned I agree there is logic in taking the lower pay early and "ending up with more". But then again so do the company bean counters. This is the base line for all negotiations. There is no other amount. It's always this lower amount.
And for number 1, yes we don't yet have the economy of scale. We negotiate on both current and future earnings. Also the company is making plenty of money without economy of scale and we have a big part of this. And lastly this lack of scale prevents us pilots from changing to larger equipment like the legacies and reduce our long term earning potential. We should be compensated for this too.
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Old 09-05-2015, 12:51 PM
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Mec podcast, same [email protected]@p, not even a word about the relief, excep, he EXPECTS TO GET A RETURN FAVOR at the bargaining table for all above and beyond efforts we made as a group. Awesome. We are in good hands.
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Old 09-05-2015, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
Mec podcast, same [email protected]@p, not even a word about the relief, excep, he EXPECTS TO GET A RETURN FAVOR at the bargaining table for all above and beyond efforts we made as a group. Awesome. We are in good hands.
Sailor, were you affected by the CBA relief? I still haven't found one person who was affected. If you were affected, you do realize you could have told them no? I'm sick of whining from people who weren't affected at all.
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Old 09-06-2015, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by captlonestar View Post
Sailor, were you affected by the CBA relief? I still haven't found one person who was affected. If you were affected, you do realize you could have told them no? I'm sick of whining from people who weren't affected at all.
When significant leverage for a new CBA is given away for free, we definately indeed were all affected.
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