Spirit of NKS
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I've had the 29/7 rule burn me more than it's helped. A bunch of trades I couldn't do because of it. It would have really helped me in the transition for Aug/sep but I wasn't senior enough to get the line that I wanted. So I'll gladly see it go. And I'm not one to pick up 100% trips. Just trying to improve my days off usually.
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The trips ARE productive, for Spirit. If we want productive pairings we'll need to negotiate differently than we've done in the past. Don't hold your breath.
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Would you guys knock off the speculation? JetBlue rates plus 3%? Did you hear that from the same "legitimate" source that said we were close to a TA a day ago?
Wait for the TA, read it carefully and then decide.
On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
Wait for the TA, read it carefully and then decide.
On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
No way JB +3% is even presented to us. These guys know they'd be out on there arse in a flash.
I'm not blind enough to think they are going to offer AA rates out of the gate but no way our NC stupid enough to even present to us such a low ball offer. There would be pitchforks and torches.
I'm not blind enough to think they are going to offer AA rates out of the gate but no way our NC stupid enough to even present to us such a low ball offer. There would be pitchforks and torches.
Here's the rhetotic
1. We are a ulcc without the economy of scale of the legacies therefore we can't get paid their rates and get their benefits.
2. A quick deal gets money in your pocket sooner than a protracted negotiation so you end up with more money
3. This is the best we can get. If you vote NO we won't see another deal for several years.
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Here's the rhetotic
1. We are a ulcc without the economy of scale of the legacies therefore we can't get paid their rates and get their benefits.
2. A quick deal gets money in your pocket sooner than a protracted negotiation so you end up with more money
3. This is the best we can get. If you vote NO we won't see another deal for several years.
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1. We are a ulcc without the economy of scale of the legacies therefore we can't get paid their rates and get their benefits.
2. A quick deal gets money in your pocket sooner than a protracted negotiation so you end up with more money
3. This is the best we can get. If you vote NO we won't see another deal for several years.
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And for number 1, yes we don't yet have the economy of scale. We negotiate on both current and future earnings. Also the company is making plenty of money without economy of scale and we have a big part of this. And lastly this lack of scale prevents us pilots from changing to larger equipment like the legacies and reduce our long term earning potential. We should be compensated for this too.
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Mec podcast, same cr@@p, not even a word about the relief, excep, he EXPECTS TO GET A RETURN FAVOR at the bargaining table for all above and beyond efforts we made as a group. Awesome. We are in good hands.
Sailor, were you affected by the CBA relief? I still haven't found one person who was affected. If you were affected, you do realize you could have told them no? I'm sick of whining from people who weren't affected at all.
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When significant leverage for a new CBA is given away for free, we definately indeed were all affected.
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