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Old 09-04-2015, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod View Post
I thought the official fall-back whiner position of APCers was that transition only helped the ubber-senior that were lucky enough to work the system. Now one piece of that may be gone, and it's the end of the world. For the record, I don't like giving up 29/7 either.

And yeah, you were the only one against the efb loa.
From a pay perspective that's actually true. From a productivity, seniority, and value perspective it's item number one and that affects us all. It's our number one piece of leverage for a truly industry leading contract.
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E View Post
So is the 29/7 being trading for J.B. + 3% pay rates? I'm new, what's the 29/7? Sorry for asking.
You cannot be scheduled to fly more than 29 hours in 7 calendar days. A holdover from old 121 rules that is codified in the CBA.

I personally like it, because I can cause all sorts of transition conflicts even if I don't work every single day in a row during transition.

People who like to pick up OT at 100% hate it because they can't pick up some high credit trips. And it does make trading some 4 day sequences problematic...
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Old 09-04-2015, 04:50 PM
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Thanks didn't know if the 29/7 was something else. Does anyone at the Union have any idea the productive gains the company would get or how it would change the Crew scheduling matrix if the 29/7 was gone? Just wondering..
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Old 09-04-2015, 04:53 PM
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Would you guys knock off the speculation? JetBlue rates plus 3%? Did you hear that from the same "legitimate" source that said we were close to a TA a day ago?

Wait for the TA, read it carefully and then decide.

On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
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Old 09-04-2015, 05:50 PM
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I've had the 29/7 rule burn me more than it's helped. A bunch of trades I couldn't do because of it. It would have really helped me in the transition for Aug/sep but I wasn't senior enough to get the line that I wanted. So I'll gladly see it go. And I'm not one to pick up 100% trips. Just trying to improve my days off usually.
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Old 09-04-2015, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin View Post
On the 29/7, I'd gladly get rid of it if we got rid of trip averaging and a real min per calendar day. 5.25 or higher. I'd rather be paid when I'm at work and have more efficient trips then be capped. If you can credit 32-35 hours in 6 days it means more days off. Days you won't need to fight for a conflict. Just my opinion.
This...Go to work, work hard, go home. As far as "industry average" goes, our trips are very inefficient for pay. No more 28 hour 6 days!
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:25 PM
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All legit takes on 29/7. I'm not advocating keeping it or letting it go I'm just hoping we realize it's value to the company and it's a lot more than a 5.25 min day. That's what delta got for it in their part 117 loa last year. Ask them if they'd do it again. That one item is our highest leverage. Once the company has it in hand they have zero incentive to give us anything more. Attrition is the only other thing that could push them for a better contract and it's very slow at this time and collectively we don't control it. We own 29/7 and control it's worth if we are smart. It's only 2nd to going from hard lines to pbs on a productivity and value scale. Would we even consider pbs for a 5.25 min day? I don't think so. For an industry leading contract I'm sure. This is that valuable to them.
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Old 09-05-2015, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug View Post
You will. You are going to lose 29/7 and transition conflict language in exchange for jerkBlue hourly pay plus 3%. It's on the table, bubba!
No way JB +3% is even presented to us. These guys know they'd be out on there arse in a flash.
I'm not blind enough to think they are going to offer AA rates out of the gate but no way our NC stupid enough to even present to us such a low ball offer. There would be pitchforks and torches.
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Old 09-05-2015, 07:04 AM
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Anyone willing to pm me the load of NK 567 from dtw to atl today on 5 sep?

What are the odds for an OAL JS?

If I don't make it and flt is too late, option B is a very short time to make it.

Thanks
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Old 09-05-2015, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv View Post
Anyone willing to pm me the load of NK 567 from dtw to atl today on 5 sep?

What are the odds for an OAL JS?

If I don't make it and flt is too late, option B is a very short time to make it.

Thanks
Right now it's wiiiiiiiiide open.
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