Spirit of NKS
06-14-2010 | 12:31 PM
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For those of us not in the know, did other managers accept these roles, or did some line pilots step into these positions?
I can't imagine what it would be like to work for a CP and DO that stepped into that role, even post strike. Talk about someone who clearly has no support from those they are charged with managing!
I can't imagine what it would be like to work for a CP and DO that stepped into that role, even post strike. Talk about someone who clearly has no support from those they are charged with managing!
06-14-2010 | 12:53 PM
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AP
JOSHUA FREED and KELLI KENNEDY
Published: 14JUN10
"Baldanza said in an interview Saturday that Spirit has made money over the past year and a half and he knew its pilots would need raises. He had added that he hoped to get some of Spirit's 31 aircraft flying soon with management pilots or others who cross the picket line. No such flights have yet taken place."
Classy, world class CEO.
JOSHUA FREED and KELLI KENNEDY
Published: 14JUN10
"Baldanza said in an interview Saturday that Spirit has made money over the past year and a half and he knew its pilots would need raises. He had added that he hoped to get some of Spirit's 31 aircraft flying soon with management pilots or others who cross the picket line. No such flights have yet taken place."
Classy, world class CEO.
06-14-2010 | 02:31 PM
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From Ben 14jun10
Spirit Pilots,
Thank you for your numerous e-mails and calls over the last couple days. You have a lot of good questions and I understand why you want a full understanding of the negotiations and the final offer made by the company. The most frequently asked questions are addressed below.
1. Is the Company’s last offer still on the table?
Unfortunately, no. We have to be practical about the situation we find ourselves in at this time. The Company is losing millions of dollars during the strike and our ability to pay the rates in the final offer is being weakened by the hour. We are still committed to getting a fair and equitable deal, but we are a small company and are incurring a lot of expenses while losing a great deal of revenue during this strike.
2. Why did Spirit management walk away from the negotiation and say they would accept a strike?
Spirit did not walk away from the negotiations. Our proposal was the last one on the table and ALPA rejected it. Spirit stayed at the table, was not interested in taking a strike and remains today ready to negotiate a fair and equitable deal for all parties.
3. Why didn’t ALPA send the last proposal out to the membership for a vote?
That was ALPA’s choice, not the Company’s. The deal we offered was worked through with the ALPA Negotiating Committee and the result was one that we felt addressed everyone’s concerns and objectives fairly and realistically.
4. Why do you think there’s an ALPA national agenda influencing these negotiations?
There are three reasons for this. First, ALPA national appeared to heavily influence the pilots’ side of the negotiation in the final hours that lead to the strike decision. Second, Captain Prater has on a couple of occasions referred to the Spirit pilots as the “tip of the spear,” a clear reference to the fact that our negotiation serves the purpose of several other upcoming pilot negotiations at larger carriers. Lastly, and most importantly, Captain Creed stated as such in the ALPA release on the strike, when he said: “This contract is not just for the pilots who currently fly for Spirit, right now. We have a responsibility to maintain our profession and pass down a legacy of a job worth having.” If this doesn’t mean that we are being driven by interests outside of Spirit, what does it mean?
5. Shouldn’t we be paid like Jetblue or Airtran – we fly the same equipment to the same airports, right?
Parity is more than just current wage rates. Neither Jetblue nor Airtran paid close to what we had offered when they had 31 aircraft, adjusted for inflation. In addition, they have more productive scheduling rules, and neither have the four-day off provision. More importantly, these carriers are four times our size and have a larger revenue base on which to pay higher pilot salaries. They can leverage a larger network to achieve efficiencies that Spirit cannot. Our proposal reached Airtran scales at DOS+2. This gave the Company time to add aircraft that will produce the revenue base that would allow us to pay the higher rate.
6.Why are we seeing different compensation figures, i.e. 26%, 30%, 47%, etc.?
We offered a weighted “nominal” pay rate increase of 26% over the five year term of our proposal. Nominal means just adding up the percentage increase each year. But, due to compounding, this 26% equals about a 30% increase when comparing the rates at the beginning to the rates at the end. Also, this pay rate increase does not include the contractual step increases. When these are considered the weighted average compensation for our pilots would have increased by 47% from the date of signing to the end of the five year term.
7. What were the different options offered that addressed four days off?
We understand that this is a very emotional issue and that is why we crafted a path to keep the four-day off language in the current CBA but also provide what we felt was a reasonable alternative. The Company offered a $3,000 per pilot signing bonus with the current CBA language, or a $10,000 per pilot signing bonus if that term was changed to allow us to schedule with a single four-day off block within the month and all other breaks a minimum of three days off. We felt that this would still meet the needs of most of our commuters, yet offer more money to everyone since it will make us more efficient.
8. What is happening with my June 15th paycheck?
I am aware that Andy Nelson and Ken McKenzie had a discussion about this issue while together at the negotiating table. Due to the uncertainly of whether there would be a strike or not, we delayed the transmission to ADP. Paychecks will be deposited on June 16th or 17th.Did the Company take money out of my 401K and can I rollover funds from my 401K?
The Company over-contributed to the match portion of the 401K and when we realized the error, we adjusted to the correct match. Federal law does not allow 401K rollover of funds while you are still an employee of the Company.
9. What is happening to my health insurance coverage while we are on strike? Is anyone else bearing hardship? What about management?
Health coverage for all pilots ceased at the time the strike was called. Cobra forms should be received shortly. I understand that this is a personal hardship. Approximately 190 headquarters and other non-crew employees have been placed on unpaid leave during the pendency of the strike. Spirit’s senior leadership is not accepting pay while the strike is in progress.
10. Is the company contemplating bankruptcy?
Bankruptcy is not an option anyone wants to consider, but it must be examined. No one at Spirit wants us to be the next Eastern.
Continue to send me your comments and questions. As always, you can reach me at .
Thank you,
Ben
A car sales person has better pitch, "Lier"
Thank you for your numerous e-mails and calls over the last couple days. You have a lot of good questions and I understand why you want a full understanding of the negotiations and the final offer made by the company. The most frequently asked questions are addressed below.
1. Is the Company’s last offer still on the table?
Unfortunately, no. We have to be practical about the situation we find ourselves in at this time. The Company is losing millions of dollars during the strike and our ability to pay the rates in the final offer is being weakened by the hour. We are still committed to getting a fair and equitable deal, but we are a small company and are incurring a lot of expenses while losing a great deal of revenue during this strike.
2. Why did Spirit management walk away from the negotiation and say they would accept a strike?
Spirit did not walk away from the negotiations. Our proposal was the last one on the table and ALPA rejected it. Spirit stayed at the table, was not interested in taking a strike and remains today ready to negotiate a fair and equitable deal for all parties.
3. Why didn’t ALPA send the last proposal out to the membership for a vote?
That was ALPA’s choice, not the Company’s. The deal we offered was worked through with the ALPA Negotiating Committee and the result was one that we felt addressed everyone’s concerns and objectives fairly and realistically.
4. Why do you think there’s an ALPA national agenda influencing these negotiations?
There are three reasons for this. First, ALPA national appeared to heavily influence the pilots’ side of the negotiation in the final hours that lead to the strike decision. Second, Captain Prater has on a couple of occasions referred to the Spirit pilots as the “tip of the spear,” a clear reference to the fact that our negotiation serves the purpose of several other upcoming pilot negotiations at larger carriers. Lastly, and most importantly, Captain Creed stated as such in the ALPA release on the strike, when he said: “This contract is not just for the pilots who currently fly for Spirit, right now. We have a responsibility to maintain our profession and pass down a legacy of a job worth having.” If this doesn’t mean that we are being driven by interests outside of Spirit, what does it mean?
5. Shouldn’t we be paid like Jetblue or Airtran – we fly the same equipment to the same airports, right?
Parity is more than just current wage rates. Neither Jetblue nor Airtran paid close to what we had offered when they had 31 aircraft, adjusted for inflation. In addition, they have more productive scheduling rules, and neither have the four-day off provision. More importantly, these carriers are four times our size and have a larger revenue base on which to pay higher pilot salaries. They can leverage a larger network to achieve efficiencies that Spirit cannot. Our proposal reached Airtran scales at DOS+2. This gave the Company time to add aircraft that will produce the revenue base that would allow us to pay the higher rate.
6.Why are we seeing different compensation figures, i.e. 26%, 30%, 47%, etc.?
We offered a weighted “nominal” pay rate increase of 26% over the five year term of our proposal. Nominal means just adding up the percentage increase each year. But, due to compounding, this 26% equals about a 30% increase when comparing the rates at the beginning to the rates at the end. Also, this pay rate increase does not include the contractual step increases. When these are considered the weighted average compensation for our pilots would have increased by 47% from the date of signing to the end of the five year term.
7. What were the different options offered that addressed four days off?
We understand that this is a very emotional issue and that is why we crafted a path to keep the four-day off language in the current CBA but also provide what we felt was a reasonable alternative. The Company offered a $3,000 per pilot signing bonus with the current CBA language, or a $10,000 per pilot signing bonus if that term was changed to allow us to schedule with a single four-day off block within the month and all other breaks a minimum of three days off. We felt that this would still meet the needs of most of our commuters, yet offer more money to everyone since it will make us more efficient.
8. What is happening with my June 15th paycheck?
I am aware that Andy Nelson and Ken McKenzie had a discussion about this issue while together at the negotiating table. Due to the uncertainly of whether there would be a strike or not, we delayed the transmission to ADP. Paychecks will be deposited on June 16th or 17th.Did the Company take money out of my 401K and can I rollover funds from my 401K?
The Company over-contributed to the match portion of the 401K and when we realized the error, we adjusted to the correct match. Federal law does not allow 401K rollover of funds while you are still an employee of the Company.
9. What is happening to my health insurance coverage while we are on strike? Is anyone else bearing hardship? What about management?
Health coverage for all pilots ceased at the time the strike was called. Cobra forms should be received shortly. I understand that this is a personal hardship. Approximately 190 headquarters and other non-crew employees have been placed on unpaid leave during the pendency of the strike. Spirit’s senior leadership is not accepting pay while the strike is in progress.
10. Is the company contemplating bankruptcy?
Bankruptcy is not an option anyone wants to consider, but it must be examined. No one at Spirit wants us to be the next Eastern.
Continue to send me your comments and questions. As always, you can reach me at .
Thank you,
Ben
A car sales person has better pitch, "Lier"
06-14-2010 | 02:38 PM
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What a load a crap! Im sure he has been receiving emails and calls
From who?!? Arrogant, greedy, CEO prick
From who?!? Arrogant, greedy, CEO prick
06-14-2010 | 02:43 PM
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From: A320 CA
Spirit Pilots,
Thank you for your numerous e-mails and calls over the last couple days. You have a lot of good questions and I understand why you want a full understanding of the negotiations and the final offer made by the company. The most frequently asked questions are addressed below.
1. Is the Company’s last offer still on the table?
Unfortunately, no. We have to be practical about the situation we find ourselves in at this time. The Company is losing millions of dollars during the strike and our ability to pay the rates in the final offer is being weakened by the hour. We are still committed to getting a fair and equitable deal, but we are a small company and are incurring a lot of expenses while losing a great deal of revenue during this strike.
2. Why did Spirit management walk away from the negotiation and say they would accept a strike?
Spirit did not walk away from the negotiations. Our proposal was the last one on the table and ALPA rejected it. Spirit stayed at the table, was not interested in taking a strike and remains today ready to negotiate a fair and equitable deal for all parties.
3. Why didn’t ALPA send the last proposal out to the membership for a vote?
That was ALPA’s choice, not the Company’s. The deal we offered was worked through with the ALPA Negotiating Committee and the result was one that we felt addressed everyone’s concerns and objectives fairly and realistically.
4. Why do you think there’s an ALPA national agenda influencing these negotiations?
There are three reasons for this. First, ALPA national appeared to heavily influence the pilots’ side of the negotiation in the final hours that lead to the strike decision. Second, Captain Prater has on a couple of occasions referred to the Spirit pilots as the “tip of the spear,” a clear reference to the fact that our negotiation serves the purpose of several other upcoming pilot negotiations at larger carriers. Lastly, and most importantly, Captain Creed stated as such in the ALPA release on the strike, when he said: “This contract is not just for the pilots who currently fly for Spirit, right now. We have a responsibility to maintain our profession and pass down a legacy of a job worth having.” If this doesn’t mean that we are being driven by interests outside of Spirit, what does it mean?
5. Shouldn’t we be paid like Jetblue or Airtran – we fly the same equipment to the same airports, right?
Parity is more than just current wage rates. Neither Jetblue nor Airtran paid close to what we had offered when they had 31 aircraft, adjusted for inflation. In addition, they have more productive scheduling rules, and neither have the four-day off provision. More importantly, these carriers are four times our size and have a larger revenue base on which to pay higher pilot salaries. They can leverage a larger network to achieve efficiencies that Spirit cannot. Our proposal reached Airtran scales at DOS+2. This gave the Company time to add aircraft that will produce the revenue base that would allow us to pay the higher rate.
6.Why are we seeing different compensation figures, i.e. 26%, 30%, 47%, etc.?
We offered a weighted “nominal” pay rate increase of 26% over the five year term of our proposal. Nominal means just adding up the percentage increase each year. But, due to compounding, this 26% equals about a 30% increase when comparing the rates at the beginning to the rates at the end. Also, this pay rate increase does not include the contractual step increases. When these are considered the weighted average compensation for our pilots would have increased by 47% from the date of signing to the end of the five year term.
7. What were the different options offered that addressed four days off?
We understand that this is a very emotional issue and that is why we crafted a path to keep the four-day off language in the current CBA but also provide what we felt was a reasonable alternative. The Company offered a $3,000 per pilot signing bonus with the current CBA language, or a $10,000 per pilot signing bonus if that term was changed to allow us to schedule with a single four-day off block within the month and all other breaks a minimum of three days off. We felt that this would still meet the needs of most of our commuters, yet offer more money to everyone since it will make us more efficient.
8. What is happening with my June 15th paycheck?
I am aware that Andy Nelson and Ken McKenzie had a discussion about this issue while together at the negotiating table. Due to the uncertainly of whether there would be a strike or not, we delayed the transmission to ADP. Paychecks will be deposited on June 16th or 17th.Did the Company take money out of my 401K and can I rollover funds from my 401K?
The Company over-contributed to the match portion of the 401K and when we realized the error, we adjusted to the correct match. Federal law does not allow 401K rollover of funds while you are still an employee of the Company.
9. What is happening to my health insurance coverage while we are on strike? Is anyone else bearing hardship? What about management?
Health coverage for all pilots ceased at the time the strike was called. Cobra forms should be received shortly. I understand that this is a personal hardship. Approximately 190 headquarters and other non-crew employees have been placed on unpaid leave during the pendency of the strike. Spirit’s senior leadership is not accepting pay while the strike is in progress.
10. Is the company contemplating bankruptcy?
Bankruptcy is not an option anyone wants to consider, but it must be examined. No one at Spirit wants us to be the next Eastern.
Continue to send me your comments and questions. As always, you can reach me at .
Thank you,
Ben
A car sales person has better pitch, "Lier"
Thank you for your numerous e-mails and calls over the last couple days. You have a lot of good questions and I understand why you want a full understanding of the negotiations and the final offer made by the company. The most frequently asked questions are addressed below.
1. Is the Company’s last offer still on the table?
Unfortunately, no. We have to be practical about the situation we find ourselves in at this time. The Company is losing millions of dollars during the strike and our ability to pay the rates in the final offer is being weakened by the hour. We are still committed to getting a fair and equitable deal, but we are a small company and are incurring a lot of expenses while losing a great deal of revenue during this strike.
2. Why did Spirit management walk away from the negotiation and say they would accept a strike?
Spirit did not walk away from the negotiations. Our proposal was the last one on the table and ALPA rejected it. Spirit stayed at the table, was not interested in taking a strike and remains today ready to negotiate a fair and equitable deal for all parties.
3. Why didn’t ALPA send the last proposal out to the membership for a vote?
That was ALPA’s choice, not the Company’s. The deal we offered was worked through with the ALPA Negotiating Committee and the result was one that we felt addressed everyone’s concerns and objectives fairly and realistically.
4. Why do you think there’s an ALPA national agenda influencing these negotiations?
There are three reasons for this. First, ALPA national appeared to heavily influence the pilots’ side of the negotiation in the final hours that lead to the strike decision. Second, Captain Prater has on a couple of occasions referred to the Spirit pilots as the “tip of the spear,” a clear reference to the fact that our negotiation serves the purpose of several other upcoming pilot negotiations at larger carriers. Lastly, and most importantly, Captain Creed stated as such in the ALPA release on the strike, when he said: “This contract is not just for the pilots who currently fly for Spirit, right now. We have a responsibility to maintain our profession and pass down a legacy of a job worth having.” If this doesn’t mean that we are being driven by interests outside of Spirit, what does it mean?
5. Shouldn’t we be paid like Jetblue or Airtran – we fly the same equipment to the same airports, right?
Parity is more than just current wage rates. Neither Jetblue nor Airtran paid close to what we had offered when they had 31 aircraft, adjusted for inflation. In addition, they have more productive scheduling rules, and neither have the four-day off provision. More importantly, these carriers are four times our size and have a larger revenue base on which to pay higher pilot salaries. They can leverage a larger network to achieve efficiencies that Spirit cannot. Our proposal reached Airtran scales at DOS+2. This gave the Company time to add aircraft that will produce the revenue base that would allow us to pay the higher rate.
6.Why are we seeing different compensation figures, i.e. 26%, 30%, 47%, etc.?
We offered a weighted “nominal” pay rate increase of 26% over the five year term of our proposal. Nominal means just adding up the percentage increase each year. But, due to compounding, this 26% equals about a 30% increase when comparing the rates at the beginning to the rates at the end. Also, this pay rate increase does not include the contractual step increases. When these are considered the weighted average compensation for our pilots would have increased by 47% from the date of signing to the end of the five year term.
7. What were the different options offered that addressed four days off?
We understand that this is a very emotional issue and that is why we crafted a path to keep the four-day off language in the current CBA but also provide what we felt was a reasonable alternative. The Company offered a $3,000 per pilot signing bonus with the current CBA language, or a $10,000 per pilot signing bonus if that term was changed to allow us to schedule with a single four-day off block within the month and all other breaks a minimum of three days off. We felt that this would still meet the needs of most of our commuters, yet offer more money to everyone since it will make us more efficient.
8. What is happening with my June 15th paycheck?
I am aware that Andy Nelson and Ken McKenzie had a discussion about this issue while together at the negotiating table. Due to the uncertainly of whether there would be a strike or not, we delayed the transmission to ADP. Paychecks will be deposited on June 16th or 17th.Did the Company take money out of my 401K and can I rollover funds from my 401K?
The Company over-contributed to the match portion of the 401K and when we realized the error, we adjusted to the correct match. Federal law does not allow 401K rollover of funds while you are still an employee of the Company.
9. What is happening to my health insurance coverage while we are on strike? Is anyone else bearing hardship? What about management?
Health coverage for all pilots ceased at the time the strike was called. Cobra forms should be received shortly. I understand that this is a personal hardship. Approximately 190 headquarters and other non-crew employees have been placed on unpaid leave during the pendency of the strike. Spirit’s senior leadership is not accepting pay while the strike is in progress.
10. Is the company contemplating bankruptcy?
Bankruptcy is not an option anyone wants to consider, but it must be examined. No one at Spirit wants us to be the next Eastern.
Continue to send me your comments and questions. As always, you can reach me at .
Thank you,
Ben
A car sales person has better pitch, "Lier"
11. Will the Spirit Pilots have any respect for me when they do come back?
NO. We think you are a scumbag piece of ****. We hope that the investors grow tired of your massive mismanagement and kick you out on your ***.
When you make over 100 million on 700 million in revenue I dont want to hear any excuses about not being able to afford to pay us what our peers make. If you want to shut it down, fine, I will call your bluff....
SHUT IT DOWN BEN!!!!!
06-14-2010 | 02:44 PM
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Just like the in 08, NO FURLOUGHS, 24 hrs later WARN letter in the mail.
Just like your STATE OF THE ART training facility, with garbage bags covering windows.
Just like opening and closing bases.
Just like telling your PAX that Spirit was gonna fly through the strike, and not let them know we were on a strike.
Class Act.
"BACK TO CEO SCHOOL"
Just like your STATE OF THE ART training facility, with garbage bags covering windows.
Just like opening and closing bases.
Just like telling your PAX that Spirit was gonna fly through the strike, and not let them know we were on a strike.
Class Act.
"BACK TO CEO SCHOOL"
06-14-2010 | 02:47 PM
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06-14-2010 | 02:53 PM
#1548
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From: 320 Left soon middle
Just like the in 08, NO FURLOUGHS, 24 hrs later WARN letter in the mail.
Just like your STATE OF THE ART training facility, with garbage bags covering windows.
Just like opening and closing bases.
Just like telling your PAX that Spirit was gonna fly through the strike, and not let them know we were on a strike.
Class Act.
"BACK TO CEO SCHOOL"
Just like your STATE OF THE ART training facility, with garbage bags covering windows.
Just like opening and closing bases.
Just like telling your PAX that Spirit was gonna fly through the strike, and not let them know we were on a strike.
Class Act.
"BACK TO CEO SCHOOL"
06-14-2010 | 02:54 PM
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From: A320 CA
Just curious, how might BBB explain to Indigo and Oaktree that their once profitable airline is now going to shut down because he would not settle with the pilots? Answer...he would not get the chance because he would be escorted outside and shot! There is A LOT of money at stake here, and none of it belongs to Baldanza, dont forget that!
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