captscott26

I didn't get a letter, was it FedEx, email, or vfile? Can you PM it to me? I cant believe they would actually say ACY is closing only if we strike, thats rediculous!

BoredwLife

I got my WARN letter over the weekend.

dudeskibro

Gee, I'd be scared of getting furloughed when I was already on furlough...are they going to shut down your FUR base and relocate you to FUR?

Gate agents now getting letters they'll be terminated without benefits if we strike.

The company is clearly choosing the most immature, least progressive, difficult way of doing this. They're going to make a big mess in the next 25 days and it's going to feel so good when we shove it all right back up their ***.

BoredwLife

HAHHA Thanks for that.

CommutR4Life

First of all they sent it out as 'bulk' mail. No signature required to everyone, Pilots, FA's, Gate, at all bases. What if the postman dropped your letter and you were never notified?!? Also, with no paper trail, how can Spirit prove they gave you proper notice? As far as the Sentenial press release today about shutting down the whole operation; I hope no one is buying this. Full planes all day, suppose to get another airframe next week or two, money hand over fist, biggest market share in FLL, and they are going to pack it all up and head for the hills because of the money they obviously can afford to pay us? Also found this job posting for Spirit:

https://jobs.smartbrief.com/action/l...1-cd277f3d283d

Why would you be looking to hire a Sr. Revenue Analyst if you are going out of business?

lostplanetairman

It's all required by law. But it serves a purpose to scare those of us who don't know that. The letter they mailed is required. Don't take it as a threat so that you think it's ok to cross a picket line.

From the Dept of Labor website regarding the form of notice required under the W.A.R.N. Act: Form and Content of Notice :


No particular form of notice is required. However, all notices must be in writing. Any reasonable method of delivery designed to ensure receipt 60 days before a closing or layoff is acceptable.


Notice must be specific. Notice may be given conditionally upon the occurrence or non-occurrence of an event only when the event is definite and its occurrence or nonoccurrence will result in a covered employment action less than 60 days after the event.


The content of the notices to the required parties is listed in section 639.7 of the WARN final regulations. Additional notice is required when the date(s) or 14-day period(s) for a planned plant closing or mass layoff are extended beyond the date(s) or 14-day period(s) announced in the original notice.

Notification Period


With three exceptions, notice must be timed to reach the required parties at least 60 days before a closing or layoff. When the individual employment separations for a closing or layoff occur on more than one day, the notices are due to the representative(s), State dislocated worker unit and local government at least 60 days before each separation. If the workers are not represented, each worker's notice is due at least 60 days before that worker's separation.


The exceptions to 60-day notice are:


(1) Faltering company. This exception, to be narrowly construed, covers situations where a company has sought new capital or business in order to stay open and where giving notice would ruin the opportunity to get the new capital or business, and applies only to plant closings;


(2) unforeseeable business circumstances. This exception applies to closings and layoffs that are caused by business circumstances that were not reasonably foreseeable at the time notice would otherwise have been required; and


(3) Natural disaster. This applies where a closing or layoff is the direct result of a natural disaster, such as a flood, earthquake, drought or storm.


If an employer provides less than 60 days advance notice of a closing or layoff and relies on one of these three exceptions, the employer bears the burden of proof that the conditions for the exception have been met. The employer also must give as much notice as is practicable. When the notices are given, they must include a brief statement of the reason for reducing the notice period in addition to the items required in notices.

Good luck to you!

HR Diva

Sailor

I've heard that God Bless Top Gun was calling around to find out how long to train 300-400 pilots.

I thought we were the best when he came in?, hiding behind his religious way and stabbing people in the back, very professional and Samaritan of him...

Whatever, contract or strike that simple....

Normann

I finally got to see the face of this slime. Talking about Grazelcluster****er as I call him. For a I while I could not place his face. I finally figured it out. He was doing a speech at a job fair working for Skybus still. I remember him selling the low pay package. How Skybus pilots would turn into the best paid in the industry once their stock option's value quadrupled. We were listening to him, and other scumbags, because we had to since the doors to the specific airlines were not opened until all the presentations were over. Everybody was just rolling their eyes. It was comical really.

The guy is a conman in my book. He fits right into Spirit. Right at home with people like J Ornstein. Except that Grazel seems really unintelligent. Based on his emails, his verbal and written skills are disappointing. No attention to detail, not even willing to proof read an email that reaches 1000+ employees. I have $20 that he will not be around for very long. It must really suck to be soulless and dumb at the same time.

CommutR4Life

I guess management has done a good job of convincing other employees that it is the pilots fault if they lose their jobs/benefits. Latest out of FLL is that people are putting feces and urinating in the cockpits to get back at the pilots

JetPiedmont

YGTBSM!!