skybolt

You say try the facts, then agree that my FACTS were correct. He's been the DO for less than a year. In that year the treatment has IMPROVED. What's your real motivation?

Grounded320

I was not referring specifically to his duration as DO, it was also inclusive of his time as CP. Hey if you got a thing for Ole I am ok with that. If you are interested in civilized debate I am willing to participate. I am not sure how many times I must state this. "I have no motivation"!!! I must add from what I understand any initial improvement was attributed to the nice guy that was appointed to replace ole as chief pilot.

Angel

I always enjoyed reading the funny rumors we pass along on this thread, but now, it has turned to be a discussion with no ending. If any of guys agree, please lets change topic here and keep the other forum for those wise arguments.

my humble opinion....

Grounded320

They are not rumors but fact. Never be afraid to stick up to the "man" no matter who he or she is. Right is never wrong,

emj55

Do it. Publish the book. Ill buy the first copy. As BBB would say, "Let him tell the world how bad we are.....!" Good luck to you.

skybolt

Sorry grounded, I don't think that you are interested in a civil debate.

You're naming the names of people who are not here to defend themselves. You're calling those people names. Your time at Spirit was obviously short, but you are willing to characterize half of the seniority list as "never could get hired at a major" when in fact a significant number of those pilots were at a major when you were just a gleam in your daddy's eye. Spirit's seniority list includes many Eastern pilots as well as pilots from Midway, AirFlorida, Braniff, and others. Then you follow that slam with this, "yes they are dangerous". That my friend is a very serious charge, and it was not made in a civil way.

Next, no I don't have a "thing" for Ole. I do respect him and feel that he is fair and honest. But, I also got along quite well with Scotty.

You are at best disingenous, if not a liar when you say you have no motivation. You yourself wrote this, "My hope is to inform the public, and hopefully force this industry down another path, a path that airline pilots deserve." You either don't understand that words mean things, or you are just hoping that other people don't read.

PAN PAN PAN

No, not bitter at all just stating my opinion on this whole topic, hopefully your book will enlighten all of us to the point you wish to stress. Hopefully it will bring about the change to the industry that you would like to see. Hopefully you will give all your royalties to a charity, or better yet a Union "ALPA" perhaps to help keep fighting the fight and improve this industry.

However, I do believe that change will come from the pilot group working in unity for a common goal that will benefit both Spirits current and future Pilots. I think the recent vote that was taken there shows where the Spirit Pilot group stands, change starts from within.

Sailor

Grounded, I think we can call it now.

You have your ideas and rights. We have ours. I do believe if you are not happy at a place of work, you resign. But to leave trashing people in public forums is not professional.

Cheers

ALPO Whisperer

Agreed Sailor. I'm sitting here in shock that someone would have the AUDACITY to get on a public forum and call Ole and Puyear "classless" yet want to publish a slanderous book "naming names?" Furthermore, this same individual thinks they are "professional" and "doing a service" to the industry. Who is the person..Mary Schiavo?? That's absolutely disgraceful.

This business is all about INTEGRITY. It wasn't long ago that a captain and I were put in a bad situation involving a maintenance problem. I can tell you from personal experience that PO and JC showed the utmost professionalism and looked out for both of us. We didn't need some union rep to stand up for us and make the situation worse. The captain and I JOINTLY decided to tell the truth, not hide any details, and we found Ole and JC respected our integrity and backed us up. We were cleared of ANY wrongdoing.

Writing a book, about your former co-workers, slandering them without any check on the facts, is something the likes of which the "New York Times" would do...Simply outrageous..

TTOCSMCC

I know I am not alone in having a lot of respect for Ole'
I would even bet that I am with the majority in my faith that his leadership, along with John's will make Spirit a much better place.