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Old 05-27-2013 | 07:56 AM
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KCM would cost the company 30k per year. It's making $100+ million profit per year. This has nothing to do with profitability and everything to do with deliberately sticking it to the pilot group. This is the ONLY airline that has chosen to use KCM as a bargaining chip. It a shame, and to be honest, it's an embarrassment.
Old 05-27-2013 | 08:15 AM
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Do we have a lot of flights delayed now do to TSA?

It would be funny if the flight attendants get KCM in their new CBA (assuming they ever get one). I can see the company springing for KCM for them just to poke us in the eye. Ironically, with all the FA's "Me Too" clauses, we don't have one that seems applicable to KCM.
Old 05-27-2013 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by gliderguider
Got the email for the long app on Friday and was #191 at the Chicago job fair. Bachelors degree, RJ F/O, 5500TT, 0 TPIC, 3700 TSIC part 121. Fingers crossed! (especially for an ORD base)
Congrats! Sent you a pm.
Old 05-27-2013 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by captscott26
KCM would cost the company 30k per year. It's making $100+ million profit per year. This has nothing to do with profitability and everything to do with deliberately sticking it to the pilot group. This is the ONLY airline that has chosen to use KCM as a bargaining chip. It a shame, and to be honest, it's an embarrassment.
AWAC tried to use kcm as a bargaining chip also. We feel your pain.
Old 05-27-2013 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by captscott26
KCM would cost the company 30k per year. It's making $100+ million profit per year. This has nothing to do with profitability and everything to do with deliberately sticking it to the pilot group. This is the ONLY airline that has chosen to use KCM as a bargaining chip. It a shame, and to be honest, it's an embarrassment.
Honestly, screw it, it's not worth being embarrassed or worked up over. From show time to the end of the pairing, I'm theirs within the bounds of the CBA, FARs, etc. Having KCM will not make me walk through the terminal doors any sooner or later than my published show time when, essentially, I'm on Spirit's time. So wheather I'm going to a KCM line to show my KCM card and going on my way, cutting in front of and looking like a jerk to already ****ed off passengers at the x-ray belt, or getting in the back of the line with them should TSA not allow line jumping, it's on Spirits time, and regardless of the previous, I will not do my job any faster or slower. Since KCM is technically not allowed to be used while travelling for personal reasons, it in no way enhances my off time. And lastly, having KCM will in no way effect my pay in any way. So let them try to use it as a bargaining chip, essentially it is really of no monetary or QOL value so therefore we should give up nothing of monetary or QOL value for it.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it wouldn't be nice or convenient but so would ships charts or EFBs. However, I doubt we would give anything for either of these. To give up something of any value for something that in the end has no real effect on pay or QOL and is something we do on their time would not be smart.

disclaimer: I realize I do speak as a non-commuter
Old 05-27-2013 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by captscott26
KCM would cost the company 30k per year. It's making $100+ million profit per year. This has nothing to do with profitability and everything to do with deliberately sticking it to the pilot group. This is the ONLY airline that has chosen to use KCM as a bargaining chip. It a shame, and to be honest, it's an embarrassment.

At least we get to use our own cell phones to call dispatch and work out problems, we got that going for us......which is good.
Old 05-27-2013 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 319wisperer
Honestly, screw it, it's not worth being embarrassed or worked up over. From show time to the end of the pairing, I'm theirs within the bounds of the CBA, FARs, etc. Having KCM will not make me walk through the terminal doors any sooner or later than my published show time when, essentially, I'm on Spirit's time. So wheather I'm going to a KCM line to show my KCM card and going on my way, cutting in front of and looking like a jerk to already ****ed off passengers at the x-ray belt, or getting in the back of the line with them should TSA not allow line jumping, it's on Spirits time, and regardless of the previous, I will not do my job any faster or slower. Since KCM is technically not allowed to be used while travelling for personal reasons, it in no way enhances my off time. And lastly, having KCM will in no way effect my pay in any way. So let them try to use it as a bargaining chip, essentially it is really of no monetary or QOL value so therefore we should give up nothing of monetary or QOL value for it.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it wouldn't be nice or convenient but so would ships charts or EFBs. However, I doubt we would give anything for either of these. To give up something of any value for something that in the end has no real effect on pay or QOL and is something we do on their time would not be smart.

disclaimer: I realize I do speak as a non-commuter
I agree 100%.
The reality is that negotiating for KCM means giving something up for KCM. Also the TSA can take it away at their whim.
Old 05-27-2013 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 319wisperer
Since KCM is technically not allowed to be used while travelling for personal reasons, it in no way enhances my off time.

disclaimer: I realize I do speak as a non-commuter
So if it is not for personal travel, shouldn't the commuter part be irrelevant?
Old 05-27-2013 | 10:44 AM
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At least we get to use our own cell phones to call dispatch and work out problems, we got that going for us......which is good.
Yep. Might just as we'll use our personal IPads for EFB.

...NOT
Old 05-27-2013 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gliderguider
Got the email for the long app on Friday and was #191 at the Chicago job fair. Bachelors degree, RJ F/O, 5500TT, 0 TPIC, 3700 TSIC part 121. Fingers crossed! (especially for an ORD base)
Congrats man! Altho its probably not so good news for those of us that were prior to #191 that haven't heard anything. We'll just have to keep plugging away. Best of luck to you!
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