weasil

Congrats! Sent you a pm.

Moonwolf

AWAC tried to use kcm as a bargaining chip also. We feel your pain.

319wisperer

Honestly, screw it, it's not worth being embarrassed or worked up over. From show time to the end of the pairing, I'm theirs within the bounds of the CBA, FARs, etc. Having KCM will not make me walk through the terminal doors any sooner or later than my published show time when, essentially, I'm on Spirit's time. So wheather I'm going to a KCM line to show my KCM card and going on my way, cutting in front of and looking like a jerk to already ****ed off passengers at the x-ray belt, or getting in the back of the line with them should TSA not allow line jumping, it's on Spirits time, and regardless of the previous, I will not do my job any faster or slower. Since KCM is technically not allowed to be used while travelling for personal reasons, it in no way enhances my off time. And lastly, having KCM will in no way effect my pay in any way. So let them try to use it as a bargaining chip, essentially it is really of no monetary or QOL value so therefore we should give up nothing of monetary or QOL value for it.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it wouldn't be nice or convenient but so would ships charts or EFBs. However, I doubt we would give anything for either of these. To give up something of any value for something that in the end has no real effect on pay or QOL and is something we do on their time would not be smart.

disclaimer: I realize I do speak as a non-commuter

skybolt

At least we get to use our own cell phones to call dispatch and work out problems, we got that going for us......which is good.

TTOCSMCC

I agree 100%.
The reality is that negotiating for KCM means giving something up for KCM. Also the TSA can take it away at their whim.

Plane Ramrod

So if it is not for personal travel, shouldn't the commuter part be irrelevant?

TTOCSMCC

Yep. Might just as we'll use our personal IPads for EFB.

...NOT

beech2jet

Congrats man! Altho its probably not so good news for those of us that were prior to #191 that haven't heard anything. We'll just have to keep plugging away. Best of luck to you!

319wisperer

Why? We have ACARS, and the few places that it doesn't work, we can use the the stations land line or cellphone, or if off the gate, use a radio patch through the station. Again, it should be on Spirit's dime and time. I don't think I've ever HAD to use my personal cell phone.

While there isn't any guidance about this on the KCM website about when it can and can't be used, I've read local union websites that say its only to be used while on duty, deadheading or commuting.

NedsKid

We are paid to show up :45 before departure, at the crew room, in base, to do our job. If we all did that, there would most certainly be a benefit for the company to get KCM and EFB's. But instead, we are sackless, and allow ourselves to work for free.

We go through security on our own time, rather than on the company's time. Yep - come to work early, check your e-mail, file jepps, check v-files, etc. Rather than depart late, we file the jepps in-flight, even though the MIA FSDO has gone after our pilots for doing that. Rather than depart late, we cut in front of all the paying passengers in the security line, because 45 minutes is not enough time to do everything that we are required to do before the first flight of a trip, let alone to do it and then clear a security line that is backed up around the terminal.

If we started taking delays because of the Jepp revisions and other paperwork we we had to file and review before going through security, we might get EFB's. If we started taking delays because we got held up in security, we might get KCM.

The company has no reason to get EFB's or KCM because we have shown them that there is no need to. Another Jepp revision, another long security line . . . BOHICA!