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05-27-2013, 08:23 PM
#5831
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
Originally Posted by 319wisperer
Why? We have ACARS, and the few places that it doesn't work, we can use the the stations land line or cellphone, or if off the gate, use a radio patch through the station. Again, it should be on Spirit's dime and time. I don't think I've ever HAD to use my personal cell phone.
While there isn't any guidance about this on the KCM website about when it can and can't be used, I've read local union websites that say its only to be used while on duty, deadheading or commuting.
While there isn't any guidance about this on the KCM website about when it can and can't be used, I've read local union websites that say its only to be used while on duty, deadheading or commuting.
:-)
05-27-2013, 08:31 PM
#5832
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 758
Originally Posted by Lemonade
It would reference section 9.2.1of the FOM
The Captain shall not begin a flight unless the appropriate Jeppesen aeronautical charts are on board. The Company will provide Jeppesen Enroute and Approach Charts to each Pilot. In addition, flight planning and airport analysis documents are maintained in OCC. Responsibility for Jeppesen Revision.: · If a revision is distributed while a Pilot is flying a sequence, the Pilot is not responsible for that revision until returning at the end of that sequence. · If a revision is distributed at the Pilot’s base before departing on a sequence, the Pilot is responsible to have revised pages inserted and/or removed as instructed on the Manual Transmittal Sheet. The revision number must also be logged on the Record of Revisions in the manual for that sequence. Jeppesens must be revised before referencing your charts on the Flight Deck in preparation for pre-flight activities. · If the revision is not in the Pilot’s V-File, the Pilot should check with the base manager to obtain the current revision.
We need to comply with the FOM, right?
9.2.1Navigation Charts
A
.009; 121.549
The Captain shall not begin a flight unless the appropriate Jeppesen aeronautical charts are on board. The Company will provide Jeppesen Enroute and Approach Charts to each Pilot. In addition, flight planning and airport analysis documents are maintained in OCC. Responsibility for Jeppesen Revision.: · If a revision is distributed while a Pilot is flying a sequence, the Pilot is not responsible for that revision until returning at the end of that sequence. · If a revision is distributed at the Pilot’s base before departing on a sequence, the Pilot is responsible to have revised pages inserted and/or removed as instructed on the Manual Transmittal Sheet. The revision number must also be logged on the Record of Revisions in the manual for that sequence. Jeppesens must be revised before referencing your charts on the Flight Deck in preparation for pre-flight activities. · If the revision is not in the Pilot’s V-File, the Pilot should check with the base manager to obtain the current revision.
We need to comply with the FOM, right?
05-28-2013, 12:19 AM
#5833
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 320*****
Posts: 487
Originally Posted by gatorbird
We shouldn't be bargaining for KCM; it benefits the company along with the pilot group.
We shouldn't? LOL. Those are phrases for a place that has corporate culture, where managers think it is important to take care of their employees because in return they will take care of their customers. This is not that place. Arguments that start with "we should, or they should" just don't apply here bro.
And why should they btw? No, it does not benefit the company. Like Nedskids said, as long we show up at the gate and push on time they have no incentive to get it. If the MEC wants 100% compliance and enforcement, shouldn't the company expect the same? That is all they are doing. We will give them no slack, they will give us no slack. They give no slack to the passengers either. No slack is the corporate culture here.
But F KCM. I really don't care anymore. It seems I am the only one who thinks that perhaps a few dollars a month from my $2-3k yearly ALPA dues could go for KCM. That way they could not hold it hostage. But the union does not want to hear that. I just wish I could pay for my own. Buying airport friendly shoes cost me more per year than KCM would.
But didn't Joe write in his "Dear John" letter to us that it was coming? I thought I have read that on the ra email. I could be wrong, my eyes were full of tears.
05-28-2013, 06:36 AM
#5834
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: Just because the MEL says we can, doesn't mean we should
Posts: 324
Originally Posted by Lemonade
It would reference section 9.2.1of the FOM
The Captain shall not begin a flight unless the appropriate Jeppesen aeronautical charts are on board. The Company will provide Jeppesen Enroute and Approach Charts to each Pilot. In addition, flight planning and airport analysis documents are maintained in OCC. Responsibility for Jeppesen Revision.: · If a revision is distributed while a Pilot is flying a sequence, the Pilot is not responsible for that revision until returning at the end of that sequence. · If a revision is distributed at the Pilot’s base before departing on a sequence, the Pilot is responsible to have revised pages inserted and/or removed as instructed on the Manual Transmittal Sheet. The revision number must also be logged on the Record of Revisions in the manual for that sequence. Jeppesens must be revised before referencing your charts on the Flight Deck in preparation for pre-flight activities. · If the revision is not in the Pilot’s V-File, the Pilot should check with the base manager to obtain the current revision.
We need to comply with the FOM, right?
9.2.1Navigation Charts
A
.009; 121.549
The Captain shall not begin a flight unless the appropriate Jeppesen aeronautical charts are on board. The Company will provide Jeppesen Enroute and Approach Charts to each Pilot. In addition, flight planning and airport analysis documents are maintained in OCC. Responsibility for Jeppesen Revision.: · If a revision is distributed while a Pilot is flying a sequence, the Pilot is not responsible for that revision until returning at the end of that sequence. · If a revision is distributed at the Pilot’s base before departing on a sequence, the Pilot is responsible to have revised pages inserted and/or removed as instructed on the Manual Transmittal Sheet. The revision number must also be logged on the Record of Revisions in the manual for that sequence. Jeppesens must be revised before referencing your charts on the Flight Deck in preparation for pre-flight activities. · If the revision is not in the Pilot’s V-File, the Pilot should check with the base manager to obtain the current revision.
We need to comply with the FOM, right?
What a silly little game.
05-28-2013, 07:41 AM
#5835
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Guppy Capt.
Posts: 1,887
Originally Posted by Lemonade
It would reference section 9.2.1of the FOM
The Captain shall not begin a flight unless the appropriate Jeppesen aeronautical charts are on board. The Company will provide Jeppesen Enroute and Approach Charts to each Pilot. In addition, flight planning and airport analysis documents are maintained in OCC. Responsibility for Jeppesen Revision.: · If a revision is distributed while a Pilot is flying a sequence, the Pilot is not responsible for that revision until returning at the end of that sequence. · If a revision is distributed at the Pilot’s base before departing on a sequence, the Pilot is responsible to have revised pages inserted and/or removed as instructed on the Manual Transmittal Sheet. The revision number must also be logged on the Record of Revisions in the manual for that sequence. Jeppesens must be revised before referencing your charts on the Flight Deck in preparation for pre-flight activities. · If the revision is not in the Pilot’s V-File, the Pilot should check with the base manager to obtain the current revision.
We need to comply with the FOM, right?
9.2.1Navigation Charts
A
.009; 121.549
The Captain shall not begin a flight unless the appropriate Jeppesen aeronautical charts are on board. The Company will provide Jeppesen Enroute and Approach Charts to each Pilot. In addition, flight planning and airport analysis documents are maintained in OCC. Responsibility for Jeppesen Revision.: · If a revision is distributed while a Pilot is flying a sequence, the Pilot is not responsible for that revision until returning at the end of that sequence. · If a revision is distributed at the Pilot’s base before departing on a sequence, the Pilot is responsible to have revised pages inserted and/or removed as instructed on the Manual Transmittal Sheet. The revision number must also be logged on the Record of Revisions in the manual for that sequence. Jeppesens must be revised before referencing your charts on the Flight Deck in preparation for pre-flight activities. · If the revision is not in the Pilot’s V-File, the Pilot should check with the base manager to obtain the current revision.
We need to comply with the FOM, right?
No CFR says you have to have them in order, or in the book.
And the FOM is an accepted manual, not approved. There's a difference.
Approved manuals are just as regulatory as the CFRs.
Like reading in the cockpit. Nowhere in the CFRs does it state you can't read at cruise. Company policy may state so, but no CFR.
Like at UAL/ CAL now does not prohibit reading...
05-28-2013, 07:58 AM
#5836
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: A 320
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive
Yep, have to comply for company reasons, not FAA reasons.
No CFR says you have to have them in order, or in the book.
And the FOM is an accepted manual, not approved. There's a difference.
Approved manuals are just as regulatory as the CFRs.
Like reading in the cockpit. Nowhere in the CFRs does it state you can't read at cruise. Company policy may state so, but no CFR.
Like at UAL/ CAL now does not prohibit reading...
No CFR says you have to have them in order, or in the book.
And the FOM is an accepted manual, not approved. There's a difference.
Approved manuals are just as regulatory as the CFRs.
Like reading in the cockpit. Nowhere in the CFRs does it state you can't read at cruise. Company policy may state so, but no CFR.
Like at UAL/ CAL now does not prohibit reading...
Seems strange. I wonder if a FA violated the make-up policy in their manual are they in violation of the regs. subject to discipline from the FAA?
05-28-2013, 08:49 AM
#5837
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Guppy Capt.
Posts: 1,887
Originally Posted by Lemonade
If the approved manuals are just as regulatory as the CFRs then we need to do it right?
Seems strange. I wonder if a FA violated the make-up policy in their manual are they in violation of the regs. subject to discipline from the FAA?
Seems strange. I wonder if a FA violated the make-up policy in their manual are they in violation of the regs. subject to discipline from the FAA?
There aren't many APPROVED manuals. Although some POIs think there are.
Weight and balance manual is approved, training manual is approved. GOMs or FOMs, are ACCEPTED.
05-29-2013, 05:02 AM
#5838
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 114
A/C 620 is on its way... Little bit of good news I guess, keep em coming!
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05-29-2013, 05:21 AM
#5839
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
Sweet, Im looking forward to flying a brand new plane 
05-29-2013, 07:53 AM
#5840
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: A319/320/321
Posts: 166
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Sweet, Im looking forward to flying a brand new plane
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