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Old 05-06-2017 | 06:25 PM
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This place is a complete mess
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Old 05-06-2017 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FrustratedCapt
Thanks, appreciate it!
Our management is preparing to file a lawsuit against our union, and you want to work here??
Prepare to be even more frustrated, and as an FO, and the second lowest paid Airbus FO at that....
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Old 05-06-2017 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Our management is preparing to file a lawsuit against our union, and you want to work here??
Prepare to be even more frustrated, and as an FO, and the second lowest paid Airbus FO at that....
Management has filed lawsuits against pretty much all the legacies. Does that make those places less desirable to be at? It's a fight to get what we deserve no matter the logo on the tail. Who knows the guys story or reasoning for wanting to be here. Quite frankly it doesn't really matter.
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Old 05-06-2017 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by iFlyHi
Management has filed lawsuits against pretty much all the legacies. Does that make those places less desirable to be at? It's a fight to get what we deserve no matter the logo on the tail. Who knows the guys story or reasoning for wanting to be here. Quite frankly it doesn't really matter.
At least one is actually compensated to be anywhere else, lawsuit or not. Did I not mention we're the second LOWEST paid Airbus operator?? Again, under present circumstances, why does anyone want to come here??
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Old 05-07-2017 | 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by iFlyHi
Management has filed lawsuits against pretty much all the legacies.
More than once, too.
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Old 05-07-2017 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Our management is preparing to file a lawsuit against our union, and you want to work here??
Prepare to be even more frustrated, and as an FO, and the second lowest paid Airbus FO at that....
The lowest paid Airbus FO, fixed it.
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Old 05-07-2017 | 05:50 AM
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Second lowest, look at Frontier.
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Old 05-07-2017 | 06:36 AM
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I spend a lot of time mentoring young pilots. It's a personal passion of mine. Two things really annoy me. The first is when someone who isn't a professional pilot yet hears from a current professional pilot about how awful the career is, and that they should never go this route. If the job is so bad, why are you still in this career field?

The second is when a bunch of pilots at an airline tell everyone considering working for that airline how horrible it is, but then remain employed at that airline. It's like you guys are purposely telling new hires to stay away to use it as a bargaining chip with the company. If it is so bad, why don't you quit? Every airline is hiring. It's clearly not that bad if you are ONLY waiting for United, American, or Delta. Why not go to Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska, Virgin, Allegiant, Frontier, Atlas, any regional.

Warren Buffet is famous for saying "holding a stock is the same as making the decision to buy that stock at that price." Staying at Spirit is the same as making the decision to be hired there today. If it's that bad, leave, and go anywhere else (including another regional). But clearly it's not that bad, since all of you are staying, so why do you tell all these regional pilots to not come to Spirit???

Bottom line: If you are considering Spirit, remember that it is not so bad that all these people giving you advice are still working there! It can't be that bad. Do what is right for you and your career, and don't play along to help be a bargaining chip for an airline's pilot group that you don't even work for.
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Old 05-07-2017 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I spend a lot of time mentoring young pilots. It's a personal passion of mine. Two things really annoy me. The first is when someone who isn't a professional pilot yet hears from a current professional pilot about how awful the career is, and that they should never go this route. If the job is so bad, why are you still in this career field?

The second is when a bunch of pilots at an airline tell everyone considering working for that airline how horrible it is, but then remain employed at that airline. It's like you guys are purposely telling new hires to stay away to use it as a bargaining chip with the company. If it is so bad, why don't you quit? Every airline is hiring. It's clearly not that bad if you are ONLY waiting for United, American, or Delta. Why not go to Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska, Virgin, Allegiant, Frontier, Atlas, any regional.

Warren Buffet is famous for saying "holding a stock is the same as making the decision to buy that stock at that price." Staying at Spirit is the same as making the decision to be hired there today. If it's that bad, leave, and go anywhere else (including another regional). But clearly it's not that bad, since all of you are staying, so why do you tell all these regional pilots to not come to Spirit???

Bottom line: If you are considering Spirit, remember that it is not so bad that all these people giving you advice are still working there! It can't be that bad. Do what is right for you and your career, and don't play along to help be a bargaining chip for an airline's pilot group that you don't even work for.
How about you stay in your lane since you obviously don't work at Spirit? Thanks.
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Old 05-07-2017 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I spend a lot of time mentoring young pilots. It's a personal passion of mine. Two things really annoy me. The first is when someone who isn't a professional pilot yet hears from a current professional pilot about how awful the career is, and that they should never go this route. If the job is so bad, why are you still in this career field?

The second is when a bunch of pilots at an airline tell everyone considering working for that airline how horrible it is, but then remain employed at that airline. It's like you guys are purposely telling new hires to stay away to use it as a bargaining chip with the company. If it is so bad, why don't you quit? Every airline is hiring. It's clearly not that bad if you are ONLY waiting for United, American, or Delta. Why not go to Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska, Virgin, Allegiant, Frontier, Atlas, any regional.

Warren Buffet is famous for saying "holding a stock is the same as making the decision to buy that stock at that price." Staying at Spirit is the same as making the decision to be hired there today. If it's that bad, leave, and go anywhere else (including another regional). But clearly it's not that bad, since all of you are staying, so why do you tell all these regional pilots to not come to Spirit???

Bottom line: If you are considering Spirit, remember that it is not so bad that all these people giving you advice are still working there! It can't be that bad. Do what is right for you and your career, and don't play along to help be a bargaining chip for an airline's pilot group that you don't even work for.
Once you get to the point in a professional pilot career where you are flying captain on an Airbus, it's not so easy to start a new profession. You wasted all of your 20's, and most of your 30's (most likely) to get here. So you you're supposed to go back to law school or medical school and start over? Not gonna happen. Would I do this again? No F-ing way.

Once you get on a seniority list, depending on your age, you are pretty much married to it. I'm 44, in the top 28%. If I leave to go to a major, what am I going to retire as? A 320 captain? It's better to stay here and fight.

I personally wouldn't advise anyone to get in to this career, and I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to come to Spirit unless you're unemployed. Hopefully one day that will change and I can be proud to work here.
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