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12-15-2015, 09:13 AM

#1911

ManFlex

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Originally Posted by 390SetBlue

Forget about PBS. The company controls pairing construction. The pairings are the problem not line bidding. Increase the min day and get rid of trip averaging and watch the schedules improve. IF YOU WANT PBS GO TO A CARRIER THAT HAS PBS!

Exactly right. Our union has zero influence in pairing construction. The company typically runs the pairing construction software to produce a solution with minimum soft time above all else. This results in an overwhelming amount of unproductive four day trips at the expense of most other types of pairings (due to averaging). This is also why we have such poor line 'purity.' The four days pay so little that a day turn (which likely also credits little) must be tacked on to create a five day work block. This is a bad outcome for both commuters and locals.

Bottom line: garbage pairings produce garbage lines under our current system or PBS. No reason to entertain PBS at all.

12-15-2015, 09:15 AM

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Lakeaffect

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Originally Posted by 390SetBlue

Agreed. Just to add, I think a good trip rig and duty rig is equally important. It would put pressure on building efficiency into trips. 1hr of pay per 3.5 hrs TAFB would be good. It's possible to have a 96hr 4day trip that pays only 22hrs even with 5.5 min day. However with the rig above that 96hr TAFB trip would be worth 27.4hrs.

12-15-2015, 09:20 AM

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GWY320

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Spirit of NKS, Part II

Agreed.

3.5:1 industry average rig

12-15-2015, 09:20 AM

#1914

ovrtake92

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So can anyone confirm if two guys recently got fired from initial cause they couldn't get along? Did this scene possible occur during class? http://youtu.be/h1mKmTYBF-8

12-15-2015, 09:45 AM

#1915

daves

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Originally Posted by 390SetBlue

I don't want PBS. But I most definitely want industry leading pay rates, while maximizing days off. I'll keep an open mind to whatever makes that possible.

12-15-2015, 10:12 AM

#1916

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Originally Posted by otter1

You are correct. I don't like what I'm hearing (admittedly secondhand so it could be incorrect) that the company can pay only a few above industry average. The Union should not agree to that. We need to fix the slope of the pay scale, not make it worse! So in effect the company is saying:

The vast majority of pilots, those who are currently the furthest below industry average, can not get a small raise so that a small group of captains at the top of the pay scale, already closer to industry average, can get a huge raise.

Have you given any consideration to the thought that this is the way the mgmt. and (to a slight extent senior union leadership) want it?

If the payscale encourages a small majority of junior people to "move on" before they become senior people, then you get a huge labor discount by operating the airline at a significant juniority as compared to it's competition. This means more money for the most senior and mgmt. alike.

12-15-2015, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GWY320

Agreed.

3.5:1 industry average rig

There is zero reason for us to not get this.

The company line is that they want "efficiency." In this case, we want pairings with more efficiency. Better for them, better for us.

12-15-2015, 10:49 AM

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390SetBlue

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Originally Posted by daves

I don't want PBS. But I most definitely want industry leading pay rates, while maximizing days off. I'll keep an open mind to whatever makes that possible.

Why focus on pay rates alone? Pay rates are only one variable in the equation that = total compensation. I want job security, high yearly earnings, excellent insurance, a comfortable retirement, and great quality of life. Having the highest pay rates in the industry doesn't mean a thing if you don't have security and can't enjoy life.

12-15-2015, 10:58 AM

#1919

daves

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Originally Posted by 390SetBlue

Sure, I agree with all that. But I also don't want to have to 'game' the system and work on days off to get that total compensation to where the rest of the industry is.

12-15-2015, 11:19 AM

#1920

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Originally Posted by ovrtake92

So can anyone confirm if two guys recently got fired from initial cause they couldn't get along? Did this scene possible occur during class? http://youtu.be/h1mKmTYBF-8

Dunno but I keep hearing of MULTIPLE INITIAL failures. I thought the instructors were pretty good and found nothing really wrong with the training here. Are we really not able to attract at least average pilots, or is something else going on?????