Spirit of NKS, Part II
01-08-2016, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
I hung up on the call. Why are we wasting our fng time with another survey? We already did one.
****ing amateur hour over here
****ing amateur hour over here
01-08-2016, 09:24 AM
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There's absolutely no excuse that early opener talks have been stretched out to this point. It's been a joint failure of the MEC chairman and the NC committee.
01-08-2016, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
Why are we wasting our fng time with another survey?
01-08-2016, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWiggum
The old survey data is stale. It needs to be updated. considering other airlines gains since we began early opener talks the price of what this group will find to be equitable has all but guaranteed to have increased. There was also plenty in that "supposal" that didn't address other necessities that need to changed in section 6. Trip/daily rigs. Higher min day. Block or better, red eye override. Etc. these are all things that have a tangible effect on our earnings and productivity while at work.
Maximum amount of money (per W2 & retirement) and preserve our work rules as best you can.
That's it. It's not rocket science
01-08-2016, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
It's not stale
Maximum amount of money (per W2 & retirement) and preserve our work rules as best you can.
That's it. It's not rocket science
Maximum amount of money (per W2 & retirement) and preserve our work rules as best you can.
That's it. It's not rocket science
01-08-2016, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWiggum
Thanks for the oversimplification
01-08-2016, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
It's that simple. Or if you want to complicate it, go through every fng section and by 2020 maybe we'll have a contract. Every ******* hour you fly these dirty POS Airbus you are losing a lot of money
01-08-2016, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWiggum
I'm well aware how much we are losing. This is a management team that will ensure these negotiations get dragged out as much as possible. Don't expect a quick contract. For this exact reason we should open the contract and get something that's well rounded and one we can live with. Because it'll likely be a few years regardless. Where have "focused" negotiations gotten us so far?
Pushed the starting line back.
Parity for all or it isn't parity at all
01-08-2016, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
It's not stale
Maximum amount of money (per W2 & retirement) and preserve our work rules as best you can.
That's it. It's not rocket science
Maximum amount of money (per W2 & retirement) and preserve our work rules as best you can.
That's it. It's not rocket science
01-08-2016, 10:52 AM
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I hung up on the call as soon as I heard we are only negotiating based off the average of the 7 airlines and not including the legacy carriers. What the heck!? And in the next breath they said we don't want to manage expectations but if that's a bi product then so be it.
Contrast that so how Southwest negotiating their contract... They included AA,DL and UA and said they deserve MORE than the legacy 737 drivers because the legacy guys have the ability to move up in equipment (ie pay) which isn't available to Southwest pilots so they needed to have HIGHER than legacy 737 drivers to compensate!
That's how it's done guys. Why in the heck would we remove the 3 best paying carriers from our average?!
You're not gonna find a better reason to polish up your apps boys. The writing is clearly on the wall now.
Contrast that so how Southwest negotiating their contract... They included AA,DL and UA and said they deserve MORE than the legacy 737 drivers because the legacy guys have the ability to move up in equipment (ie pay) which isn't available to Southwest pilots so they needed to have HIGHER than legacy 737 drivers to compensate!
That's how it's done guys. Why in the heck would we remove the 3 best paying carriers from our average?!
You're not gonna find a better reason to polish up your apps boys. The writing is clearly on the wall now.
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