Spirit of NKS, Part II
01-22-2016, 06:33 PM
#3011
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 67
You so are right. Ackerman is the biggest hypocritical POS out there. Down in Miramar all the time feathering his bed. He was supposed to fire these loser negotiators but didnt have the balls to do it. Now where are we? Contract 2020 if we are lucky.
01-22-2016, 07:15 PM
#3013
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,420
Geez this thread is pathetic! A bunch of girly men whining and moaning. I hope y'all don't talk like this In the cockpit cause it's miserable to listen to. Y'all better have your apps in and be actively trying to get out cause no major will be cold calling your pathetic A'sses
Vegas, I'm guessing you're a 2.5 year upgrade. Life must be hard... If I'm right you have some serious entitlement issues. I hope you don't whine about money to the first year FO and even worse the FA's like I've seen a few times here. That's a really douchey thing to do
I'm not saying we aren't worth what our peers make, but all this whining and chest pumping isn't going to change anything. Its just sad. You want to change something? fly the contract, stop taking shots at our union leadership, unify behind the union, and start saving for a strike. That's about all us line pilots can do. In the mean time make the best of it or leave. Everyone has a choice.
Vegas, I'm guessing you're a 2.5 year upgrade. Life must be hard... If I'm right you have some serious entitlement issues. I hope you don't whine about money to the first year FO and even worse the FA's like I've seen a few times here. That's a really douchey thing to do
I'm not saying we aren't worth what our peers make, but all this whining and chest pumping isn't going to change anything. Its just sad. You want to change something? fly the contract, stop taking shots at our union leadership, unify behind the union, and start saving for a strike. That's about all us line pilots can do. In the mean time make the best of it or leave. Everyone has a choice.
Bahahahahahahaha
Bring back meatballs!
01-22-2016, 07:23 PM
#3014
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 136
Ugh you guys are idiots and whiny girly men. I'm just a line pilot like y'all. Not Ackerman in disguise
Can y'all man up and leave already so others can take over this board and post something funny?
What's with the contract 2020 thing? Is that supposed to be funny? Nothing about what y'all post is funny. All depressing BS misinformation. Totally worthless thread we have going here
Can y'all man up and leave already so others can take over this board and post something funny?
What's with the contract 2020 thing? Is that supposed to be funny? Nothing about what y'all post is funny. All depressing BS misinformation. Totally worthless thread we have going here
01-22-2016, 08:39 PM
#3015
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 513
Ugh you guys are idiots and whiny girly men. I'm just a line pilot like y'all. Not Ackerman in disguise
Can y'all man up and leave already so others can take over this board and post something funny?
What's with the contract 2020 thing? Is that supposed to be funny? Nothing about what y'all post is funny. All depressing BS misinformation. Totally worthless thread we have going here
Can y'all man up and leave already so others can take over this board and post something funny?
What's with the contract 2020 thing? Is that supposed to be funny? Nothing about what y'all post is funny. All depressing BS misinformation. Totally worthless thread we have going here
Last edited by VegassBus; 01-22-2016 at 09:07 PM.
01-22-2016, 09:45 PM
#3016
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,420
Ugh you guys are idiots and whiny girly men. I'm just a line pilot like y'all. Not Ackerman in disguise
Can y'all man up and leave already so others can take over this board and post something funny?
What's with the contract 2020 thing? Is that supposed to be funny? Nothing about what y'all post is funny. All depressing BS misinformation. Totally worthless thread we have going here
Can y'all man up and leave already so others can take over this board and post something funny?
What's with the contract 2020 thing? Is that supposed to be funny? Nothing about what y'all post is funny. All depressing BS misinformation. Totally worthless thread we have going here
Hilarious!
01-23-2016, 01:13 AM
#3017
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A-320
Posts: 784
Although we're properly staffed, they called me on vacation for a junior man and I'm top ten seniority in base. Sounds fishy.
01-23-2016, 02:17 AM
#3019
line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: CA
Posts: 69
Pilots routinely do these jobs: gate agent, dispatcher, local operations agent, ground security coordinator, catering coordinator, and most of all - customer service.
Some even manage to do their own job while handling most of ops for Spirit. Others, believe me on this, neglect their own job in order to do things like running to the next airplane for a couple bottles of water.
Of course, the most often seen example is the continual begging for paperwork.
Those areas of operation only belong to pilots on the last leg home in order to catch a commute.
Some even manage to do their own job while handling most of ops for Spirit. Others, believe me on this, neglect their own job in order to do things like running to the next airplane for a couple bottles of water.
Of course, the most often seen example is the continual begging for paperwork.
Those areas of operation only belong to pilots on the last leg home in order to catch a commute.
If you're all responsible for operating your aircraft responsibly, thinking ahead, and being responsible for successful outcomes of each flight, why not apply that serious attentive ownership to your actions as a union member.
We need to calmly, with deliberation and purpose, DOCUMENT and FLOOD the system with emails (tracking/log/union database/any tool) EXACTLY what we do that is more than legacies, to DEFEND our worth. Using Bendo's/Jyri's/CEO's emails would additionally demonstrate their LACK of involvement in our operations, as they will have had 1000's of course correction indicators to steer the operation back on course, for which we have copious amounts of evidence they will NEVER achieve.
When we pilots, by some evidence trail, can be demonstrated to be THE VARIABLE which, if stopped, was DIRECTLY responsible for daily success of this company, then all of your valid complaining, anxiety, uncertainty, FEAR, could actually be translated into a USEFUL act of trying to do something to help our union negotiate something better for ourselves. Review back over this forum....there's troves of claiming our worth and desire to receive the compensation you THINK you're worth...the point however is to DEFEND it. Evidence is the ONLY thing to which anyone is going to listen.
It's a simple scientific path...measure the result (dependent variable=shoddy operational performance) change one of the variables involved in producing the result (independent variable), and then draw the relationship between the controlling variable (pilot's high quality performance, care, accountability, course correction skill) and the outcome of daily operations. When we stop going above and beyond, and the place melts down, THEY will NOT be able to DEFEND that we are NOT responsible for our product's success, when such a clear correlation is demonstrated.
Like our parents said...it never hurts to want. It's time to take all this forum whining into something useful. If all of you are man enough to type away and safely pontificate and critique on a screen, put your money where your keyboard is and get out there and be involved in getting you your precious contract improvements.
01-23-2016, 04:57 AM
#3020
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Position: A320 Left
Posts: 134
An arbitrator, mediator, board of directors, or the other side of the negotiation table is not going to give a rat's ass about how much you CLAIM you compensate for management's CLAIMED lack of operating our REVENUE machine. Until we all begin to SUBSTANTIATE our CLAIM of performing a wider job scope than those airlines who have functional operational SOP's....its just us WANTING more money.
If you're all responsible for operating your aircraft responsibly, thinking ahead, and being responsible for successful outcomes of each flight, why not apply that serious attentive ownership to your actions as a union member.
We need to calmly, with deliberation and purpose, DOCUMENT and FLOOD the system with emails (tracking/log/union database/any tool) EXACTLY what we do that is more than legacies, to DEFEND our worth. Using Bendo's/Jyri's/CEO's emails would additionally demonstrate their LACK of involvement in our operations, as they will have had 1000's of course correction indicators to steer the operation back on course, for which we have copious amounts of evidence they will NEVER achieve.
When we pilots, by some evidence trail, can be demonstrated to be THE VARIABLE which, if stopped, was DIRECTLY responsible for daily success of this company, then all of your valid complaining, anxiety, uncertainty, FEAR, could actually be translated into a USEFUL act of trying to do something to help our union negotiate something better for ourselves. Review back over this forum....there's troves of claiming our worth and desire to receive the compensation you THINK you're worth...the point however is to DEFEND it. Evidence is the ONLY thing to which anyone is going to listen.
It's a simple scientific path...measure the result (dependent variable=shoddy operational performance) change one of the variables involved in producing the result (independent variable), and then draw the relationship between the controlling variable (pilot's high quality performance, care, accountability, course correction skill) and the outcome of daily operations. When we stop going above and beyond, and the place melts down, THEY will NOT be able to DEFEND that we are NOT responsible for our product's success, when such a clear correlation is demonstrated.
Like our parents said...it never hurts to want. It's time to take all this forum whining into something useful. If all of you are man enough to type away and safely pontificate and critique on a screen, put your money where your keyboard is and get out there and be involved in getting you your precious contract improvements.
If you're all responsible for operating your aircraft responsibly, thinking ahead, and being responsible for successful outcomes of each flight, why not apply that serious attentive ownership to your actions as a union member.
We need to calmly, with deliberation and purpose, DOCUMENT and FLOOD the system with emails (tracking/log/union database/any tool) EXACTLY what we do that is more than legacies, to DEFEND our worth. Using Bendo's/Jyri's/CEO's emails would additionally demonstrate their LACK of involvement in our operations, as they will have had 1000's of course correction indicators to steer the operation back on course, for which we have copious amounts of evidence they will NEVER achieve.
When we pilots, by some evidence trail, can be demonstrated to be THE VARIABLE which, if stopped, was DIRECTLY responsible for daily success of this company, then all of your valid complaining, anxiety, uncertainty, FEAR, could actually be translated into a USEFUL act of trying to do something to help our union negotiate something better for ourselves. Review back over this forum....there's troves of claiming our worth and desire to receive the compensation you THINK you're worth...the point however is to DEFEND it. Evidence is the ONLY thing to which anyone is going to listen.
It's a simple scientific path...measure the result (dependent variable=shoddy operational performance) change one of the variables involved in producing the result (independent variable), and then draw the relationship between the controlling variable (pilot's high quality performance, care, accountability, course correction skill) and the outcome of daily operations. When we stop going above and beyond, and the place melts down, THEY will NOT be able to DEFEND that we are NOT responsible for our product's success, when such a clear correlation is demonstrated.
Like our parents said...it never hurts to want. It's time to take all this forum whining into something useful. If all of you are man enough to type away and safely pontificate and critique on a screen, put your money where your keyboard is and get out there and be involved in getting you your precious contract improvements.
May I suggest that a better course of action would be to JUST STOP DOING OTHER PEOPLES JOBS!
Your plan, think carefully about what you propose, your plan accepts responsibility for doing all of those other jobs. What will you accept next, a cleaners job?
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