Spirit of NKS, Part II
08-10-2016 | 07:53 AM
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Two words on the whole extension issue.
1- Contract
2- Quid
1- Contract
2- Quid
08-10-2016 | 08:28 AM
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From: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
08-10-2016 | 08:51 AM
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I think that the MEC should respond to this accusatory email. The company has now pointing blame at a crew who refused to fly fatigued. The crew did the right thing and refused to extend their duty day due to fatigue. Now the company responds and points blame at the crew and in effect, puts pressure on other crews to fly fatigued. This must be addressed!
08-10-2016 | 09:10 AM
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One point about extensions that I think is a big oversight on 117. If the science says that you would typically be fatigued when the clock strikes XX hours what makes us a better judge of that? Yes we are the only ones that can make that decision when it comes to extension but the rules are there not only to protect you from the company but also from yourself.
This flight was roughly 2.5-3 hrs which means if you are just about to push you are making a decision on whether or not you will be fatigued in three hours. How can a human being make a decision on how they may feel that far into the future unless you are fatigued at that minute. While on the approach into Dfw is too late to come to the realization that you are fatigued.
Prior to 117 when many airlines had a non punitive fatigue policy already in place many pilots did not call in fatigued when they should have. Why? Because when you are fatigued you are not a sound decision maker and have a hard time actually judging your own fatigue.
So IMO never extend. The science says you shouldn't but the airline lobby got extensions put in to the final 117 rules because money talkes and pilitians are crooked.
This flight was roughly 2.5-3 hrs which means if you are just about to push you are making a decision on whether or not you will be fatigued in three hours. How can a human being make a decision on how they may feel that far into the future unless you are fatigued at that minute. While on the approach into Dfw is too late to come to the realization that you are fatigued.
Prior to 117 when many airlines had a non punitive fatigue policy already in place many pilots did not call in fatigued when they should have. Why? Because when you are fatigued you are not a sound decision maker and have a hard time actually judging your own fatigue.
So IMO never extend. The science says you shouldn't but the airline lobby got extensions put in to the final 117 rules because money talkes and pilitians are crooked.
08-10-2016 | 09:13 AM
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From: Switch, Lever & Light Specialist
I think that the MEC should respond to this accusatory email. The company has now pointing blame at a crew who refused to fly fatigued. The crew did the right thing and refused to extend their duty day due to fatigue. Now the company responds and points blame at the crew and in effect, puts pressure on other crews to fly fatigued. This must be addressed!
08-10-2016 | 09:36 AM
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THE MORE YOU KNOW:
SECTION 12 - JURISDICTION AND DUTIES OF MASTER EXECUTIVE COUNCIL
OFFICERS
A. The Master Chairman shall be:
(1) The chief executive officer of his Master Executive Council.
(2) Charged with, and responsible for, administering the policies of his Master Executive Council.
(3) Responsible for expeditious processing of members' complaints and grievances.
(4) The Association representative on his airline for the purpose of furthering and implementing
the objectives and policies of the Board of Directors and Executive Board.
(5) Charged with, and responsible for, coordinating and compiling Local Council policy, review
reports and recommendations and submitting such material to the appropriate committees of the
Association.
(6) An ex officio member of the Negotiating Committee.
(7) An ex officio member of the Board of Directors, if not also a Local Council Representative.
SECTION 12 - JURISDICTION AND DUTIES OF MASTER EXECUTIVE COUNCIL
OFFICERS
A. The Master Chairman shall be:
(1) The chief executive officer of his Master Executive Council.
(2) Charged with, and responsible for, administering the policies of his Master Executive Council.
(3) Responsible for expeditious processing of members' complaints and grievances.
(4) The Association representative on his airline for the purpose of furthering and implementing
the objectives and policies of the Board of Directors and Executive Board.
(5) Charged with, and responsible for, coordinating and compiling Local Council policy, review
reports and recommendations and submitting such material to the appropriate committees of the
Association.
(6) An ex officio member of the Negotiating Committee.
(7) An ex officio member of the Board of Directors, if not also a Local Council Representative.
Thanks for the information. I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction.
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08-10-2016 | 10:07 AM
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I think that the MEC should respond to this accusatory email. The company has now pointing blame at a crew who refused to fly fatigued. The crew did the right thing and refused to extend their duty day due to fatigue. Now the company responds and points blame at the crew and in effect, puts pressure on other crews to fly fatigued. This must be addressed!
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