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Old 09-13-2016 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
This is where I know the Union Leaders and NC got it wrong. We are very unified. I have not talked to one single pilot that doesn't agree that we are grossly underpaid and long overdue for a pay raise.

If that isn't unity I don't know what unity is.

Present a contract that we deserve and it will pass. That simple.
Not sure I agree either giant. Just because we all want higher pay doesn't mean we're unified. Lack of participation for the surgery (70% I think, can't remember), turn outs for events are poor and when people do turn out some are there to cause issues, guys not wearing the green stuff, etc. You don't need to be loyal to the MEC and NC but showing support for the overall cause is the goal. Too much looking out for oneself. A lot of guys will complain about the pay and bash guys on the available list but will turn around and take a JA.
Old 09-13-2016 | 04:18 PM
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You have my vote. dn_wisconsin for unity Chairman!
Old 09-13-2016 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
You have my vote. dn_wisconsin for unity Chairman!
Hahahaha, thanks.

Unfortunately I missed the call today but logging on here I saw some great feedback. It sounds like the guys really did a great job and everyone can rally behind this. A common goal I suppose. The reason I went on for 2-3 pages with Audi is because it sounds like he still has own agenda. I'm sick of it. We have something to really work for now and don't need division.

We all need to put our money where our mouth is so to speak, myself included.
Old 09-13-2016 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
Not sure I agree either giant. Just because we all want higher pay doesn't mean we're unified. Lack of participation for the surgery (70% I think, can't remember), turn outs for events are poor and when people do turn out some are there to cause issues, guys not wearing the green stuff, etc. You don't need to be loyal to the MEC and NC but showing support for the overall cause is the goal. Too much looking out for oneself. A lot of guys will complain about the pay and bash guys on the available list but will turn around and take a JA.
^^^ this, some of our most vocal coworkers are the loudest (in silence) during these all pilot call meetings.

Let's get a TA, then vote, then Our DFW LEC, then the rest.
Old 09-13-2016 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jetset
Pay rates only I suppose? What about work rules and retirement, STD/LTD etc?
Retirement 16% DC (same as United).
Work rule and ltd improvements
Old 09-13-2016 | 04:45 PM
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NC- thank you for publishing the opening offer. My only question is, what took so long? Why did you have to be pressured into doing what every other NC does at the onset?
But, in the end, thank you.
Old 09-13-2016 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
NC- thank you for publishing the opening offer. My only question is, what took so long? Why did you have to be pressured into doing what every other NC does at the onset?
But, in the end, thank you.
Agree with you! Thank you...

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Old 09-13-2016 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
NC- thank you for publishing the opening offer. My only question is, what took so long? Why did you have to be pressured into doing what every other NC does at the onset?
But, in the end, thank you.
Yes, it's great. Hopefully we get something near the "initial" ask. Guys have to realize things will change in the ask. UPS and I'm pretty sure United never showed their ask...just sayin.
Old 09-13-2016 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by abbynormallaw
Yes, it's great. Hopefully we get something near the "initial" ask. Guys have to realize things will change in the ask. UPS and I'm pretty sure United never showed their ask...just sayin.
But look at the pay at UPS and United before their new contract. Pilots over there were not hurting financially as bad as NK pilots are.

$38 per hour to start and don't forget the peanuts we get until training is over. Our families depend on a raise much sooner than later. Hopefully we will get to the point, a contract away, where a raise doesn't have the same financial significance.
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
But look at the pay at UPS and United before their new contract. Pilots over there were not hurting financially as bad as NK pilots are.

$38 per hour to start and don't forget the peanuts we get until training is over. Our families depend on a raise much sooner than later. Hopefully we will get to the point, a contract away, where a raise doesn't have the same financial significance.
I agree 100%. Our pay is abysmal. Our 1st year FO pay is embarrassing and less than most regionals. Our CA pay is FO pay at most legacy's!! I know guys will start counting on the initial ask and be pretty upset when they see a TA that is not the same.
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