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Old 02-12-2018 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
89,000 is the E175. The E190 is heavier. You are kind of making my point. They restrict the range to get the E175 down to 86,000. You can bet over the last 10 years Mitsubishi pulled out every stop to get it to 86,000. With the new changes I doubt it will even make the 87,300 they claim. The geared engines are heavy.
The 175 E2s with geared turbofans have the same problem as the MRJ and are over scope limitations at 98,767 LB.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Not if its on a separate certificate.
You would be incorrect. Get a copy of the major airlines scope. A simple dodge like that is covered. I believe the typical language is “or any company owned or operationally controlled by the parent company”.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 04:06 AM
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FWIW Delta has already given its intent to separate from Trans States regardless, so maybe they are planning on going it alone. One of the US regionals is going to buddy up with the foreign carriers, TSA is in the best position to do that.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
FWIW Delta has already given its intent to separate from Trans States regardless, so maybe they are planning on going it alone. One of the US regionals is going to buddy up with the foreign carriers, TSA is in the best position to do that.
TSA does not do any regional flying for Delta that I am aware of so not sure what notice they would give. They could cancel their contracts with AMR and UAL. It would be quite a undertaking to replace that revenue from foreign connections. They would need to set up a reservation system and completely remake their entire route network. Acquiring slots and gates at the appropriate international gateways would be difficult at best and relocating all their hubs and crews quite a undertaking. That would need to be done while suffering a massive revenue drop.
I don’t see that happening.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
TSA does not do any regional flying for Delta that I am aware of so not sure what notice they would give. They could cancel their contracts with AMR and UAL. It would be quite a undertaking to replace that revenue from foreign connections. They would need to set up a reservation system and completely remake their entire route network. Acquiring slots and gates at the appropriate international gateways would be difficult at best and relocating all their hubs and crews quite a undertaking. That would need to be done while suffering a massive revenue drop.
I don’t see that happening.
Trans states owns Compass, and GoJet. The Delta scope clause would prohibit them from operating the MRJ, even on a different cert.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Trans states owns Compass, and GoJet. The Delta scope clause would prohibit them from operating the MRJ, even on a different cert.
Let’s hope they cancel the go jets portion. They should change their name to No Jets.
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Old 02-13-2018 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Trans states owns Compass, and GoJet. The Delta scope clause would prohibit them from operating the MRJ, even on a different cert.
Then why didn't it prohibit Republic operating E190's?
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Old 02-13-2018 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloggs
Then why didn't it prohibit Republic operating E190's?
That was several contracts ago. Loophole closed. How many do they have today? Big 190/195 order was announced in 2011 or so. How many did they get?
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Old 02-13-2018 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Trans states owns Compass, and GoJet. The Delta scope clause would prohibit them from operating the MRJ, even on a different cert.
Only the MRJ90
The 70 is scope compliant
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Old 02-13-2018 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You would be incorrect. Get a copy of the major airlines scope. A simple dodge like that is covered. I believe the typical language is “or any company owned or operationally controlled by the parent company”.

You would be incorrect. Republic Holdings flew 190s on the Republic Certificate for years and they were prohibited by scope at American, Delta, Continental and United. Scope is why regionals went to multiple certificates in first place. Republic was able to do this because the UAL, AA, CO, and DL aircraft were on the Shuttle and Chautauqua certificates, not the Republic Certificate. Republic put the 170s on the Chautauqua certificate initially and the APA fined them because it was a scope violation. Republic Holdings buys Shuttle America, puts the 170s there and the scope issues were resolved.

Regionals have proven very adept at creating holding companies with multiple certificates that get around mainline scope.
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