In the Regional game more flying is as valuable currency. What good is having the pay when you have no airplanes to fly. In fact every single pilot group that has chosen higher pay over more flying has been screwed in the end. It’s unfortunate but it’s the truth. This is how management controls the regional guys. It’s more or less the same on the mainline side but with more stability.

 

Bigger regional jets means more regional lift means less mainline lift means less mainline jobs means less money for you.

Again, my point is lost on many short sighted and naive regional pilots.

Enjoy your shiny big jet

 

Exactly. Pilots aren't the smartest bunch. The regionals need to be shut down all together. And mainline pilots will keep selling out scope for a few more dollars. Get on the ship and pull up the ladder.

 

If you actually read what I wrote, I wasn’t disagreeing with you.

And by the way, bigger RJs means less RJ pilots since a bigger RJ can practically replace 2 50 seaters.

 

It’s not about smarts... who wouldn’t want more pay and benefits. It’s just that we are very very easy to control because management has something we need. They know we have no other true skills other than driving a plane so all they have to do is squeeze a bit and we fold right up.

 

This is the monster that ALPA has helped create.

ALPA is quite, It’s ignores, its negligent to take action as a big Union. MECs structure needs to die! Welcome to the 21st century ALPA. Electricians do not have Bscale, yet do have apprenticeships, or the trade learner. Not a Bscale work groups under the same “Union” representation.

It’s beyond logic when I tell my older fraternity brother who is a big time Union Leader in a different field (Electricians, and other trade groups). Some interesting statements he made, and ideas, and recommendations, and steps a group like ALPA should take. It confused him why ALPA mainline was not doing more for help ALPA regionals gain pay Parity.

Then he says it’s most likely because ALPA mainline is GREEDY. They don’t care because they are getting theirs. They’re only looking out for themselves and that’s not a true Union Representation. If they cared they would retroactively come up with something fair across the board, or develop a per regional seat /per souls system of carriage with respect to mainline pay and parity at the regional level, until the regional pilots joins the mainline job and union group. Why apply for a job with Delta when you are already flying Delta customers, flying a Delta Air Plane.

That they are sucking us dry doing the same job, flying equally advanced technology aircraft as mainline, but a fractions the pay. Although mainline do make more due to their responsibility it seems for carrying more souls thus larger responsibility. So that should be the judgment line, avg cost per passenger, and equipment/seats available on the aircraft you operate.

Take a 140-160 seater Boeing/Airbus @ 165/hr avg or more FO salary. Respectfully if ALPA National was doing its job, a regional FO anywhere should earn $70-$85 /hr base pay. This is more fair the the current system. To prevent increased in regional feed growth from Management, some sort of across the board ALPA scope of 2:1 for mainline aircraft to Regional aircraft. Delta’s Regional pilots are good enough to carry Delta passengers on a Delta ticket, on a Delta owned Airplane.... But are not good enough to be flying for Delta when they already are flying for Delta? It made no sense to my brother. He wondered how or why the Union was allowing all of this. GREED. They helped create this monster.

The pay mentioned above seems like what Delta:Endeavor have going on. Still Bscale. But something better that the past. It squeezes mainline to grow, vs regional feed when the profit margins of Mainline flying become more apparent on paper, mainline flying wins. You will never have 0 regional feed in your industry due to small markets and demand. It’s a pipe dream of impossibility with the current business model making everyone profitable! AA/DL/UA can not become Southwest. That opportunity sailed 20-40 years ago.

When was the last time a PILOT flying a 70 seat Jet aircraft for was in charge of ALPA he asked....

There goes your problem he said. Unequal representation he smirked, and GREED. I will not forget that talk.

 

Delta caved on scope because merger policy was DOH. Delta inc, bought Comair/ASA for market share, and there should have been a merger when that happened. The history of RJ scope is basically Delta and Comair pilots really really hated each other.

 

Weird because your second line here is, well, literally disagreeing with me that bigger regional jets is bad for pilots.


These jets represent growth. They also allow more lift for whatever airline group at a lower pay scale. Aka the regionals. Want a review on what that means again?

 

Look i get your point. You want mainline service from Beckley, WV to Washington DC. in a big Airbus or 737 allowing for mainline jobs. Of course who wouldn’t and I agree with you. Unfortunately that’s not reality. There will always need to be Regional service in North America. My point is would you rather there be 100 MRJs or 300 Small RJs flying around?

 

Thought experiment: what if “management” said, “we don’t need to fly RJs, if they want mainline pay”?

I know several pilots who wouldn’t be in any airplane were it not for RJs. You took the money.

GF