Doubling the MRJ order???
02-18-2018 | 05:15 PM
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Look i get your point. You want mainline service from Beckley, WV to Washington DC. in a big Airbus or 737 allowing for mainline jobs. Of course who wouldn’t and I agree with you. Unfortunately that’s not reality. There will always need to be Regional service in North America. My point is would you rather there be 100 MRJs or 300 Small RJs flying around?
No, I would not rather let a regional fly the 100 MRJ. I don't want regionals to have the smaller RJs as it is. If mainline wants the MRJ, they can buy them for mainline and it can be a mainline job. If these larger RJs become efficient enough it may just be worth it to them to pay mainline wages to the pilots.
02-18-2018 | 05:27 PM
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DOH as a component of ALPA merger policy was completely removed in 1991. It was reinstated as one component that could be considered in 2009.
02-18-2018 | 10:14 PM
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They can already operate the 100 MRJs. With mainline pilots. And they can operate as many 76 seaters as they want that way too.
No, I would not rather let a regional fly the 100 MRJ. I don't want regionals to have the smaller RJs as it is. If mainline wants the MRJ, they can buy them for mainline and it can be a mainline job. If these larger RJs become efficient enough it may just be worth it to them to pay mainline wages to the pilots.
No, I would not rather let a regional fly the 100 MRJ. I don't want regionals to have the smaller RJs as it is. If mainline wants the MRJ, they can buy them for mainline and it can be a mainline job. If these larger RJs become efficient enough it may just be worth it to them to pay mainline wages to the pilots.
02-19-2018 | 07:30 AM
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02-19-2018 | 07:52 AM
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Mainline pay? not even close, but 50% would be a huge improvement for the majority.
I’d be willing to call their bluff.
02-19-2018 | 08:26 AM
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I really don't think it will be that hard to get the pilots to yield on 1200-1400lbs mtow of scope. They've always gave away scope, I'm sure there is a carrot big enough to get 51% to vote yes. If anything, quite a few pilots never flew for a regional, or are so far removed from the regional/commuter $hit$how that I lack faith that they will put thier foot down to stop this.
I really hope I'm wrong. I'd rather never set foot in an MRJ cockpit than to see UAL, AA, DAL pilots sell any scope. And if they do, I really hope it's only mtow, NOT more seats, too.
I really hope I'm wrong. I'd rather never set foot in an MRJ cockpit than to see UAL, AA, DAL pilots sell any scope. And if they do, I really hope it's only mtow, NOT more seats, too.
02-19-2018 | 10:36 AM
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It's not just straight pay, most majors are throwing ~16% into the 401k, plus QOL, and being on a seniority list where you can bid a wide body or captain on 737 in a few short years to make double or more of what anyone at RAH or any other regional makes.
02-19-2018 | 11:02 AM
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I really don't think it will be that hard to get the pilots to yield on 1200-1400lbs mtow of scope. They've always gave away scope, I'm sure there is a carrot big enough to get 51% to vote yes. If anything, quite a few pilots never flew for a regional, or are so far removed from the regional/commuter $hit$how that I lack faith that they will put thier foot down to stop this.
I really hope I'm wrong. I'd rather never set foot in an MRJ cockpit than to see UAL, AA, DAL pilots sell any scope. And if they do, I really hope it's only mtow, NOT more seats, too.
I really hope I'm wrong. I'd rather never set foot in an MRJ cockpit than to see UAL, AA, DAL pilots sell any scope. And if they do, I really hope it's only mtow, NOT more seats, too.
At this point a large portion of mainline pilots either came from regionals or watched furloughs happen at mainline because of the scope allowing the RJs. Even the new guys coming from MIL backgrounds seem to be very aware of scope and what it can cause.
I don't think there are enough guys close to retirement who would also sell out the industry for a quick buck for scope to get through anymore.
And 1400 lbs might not seem like a lot, but it might as well be 100,000 lbs if it means the company has to put the planes at mainline if they really want them.
02-19-2018 | 11:11 AM
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At this point a large portion of mainline pilots either came from regionals or watched furloughs happen at mainline because of the scope allowing the RJs. Even the new guys coming from MIL backgrounds seem to be very aware of scope and what it can cause.
I don't think there are enough guys close to retirement who would also sell out the industry for a quick buck for scope to get through anymore.
And 1400 lbs might not seem like a lot, but it might as well be 100,000 lbs if it means the company has to put the planes at mainline if they really want them.
I don't think there are enough guys close to retirement who would also sell out the industry for a quick buck for scope to get through anymore.
And 1400 lbs might not seem like a lot, but it might as well be 100,000 lbs if it means the company has to put the planes at mainline if they really want them.
I have something to gain (at least in the short term) by the MRJ coming to Trans States. We fly tired old 50 seats that have an expiration date coming sooner than later. However, this would NOT be good for the industry.
02-19-2018 | 11:28 AM
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I really don't think it will be that hard to get the pilots to yield on 1200-1400lbs mtow of scope. They've always gave away scope, I'm sure there is a carrot big enough to get 51% to vote yes. If anything, quite a few pilots never flew for a regional, or are so far removed from the regional/commuter $hit$how that I lack faith that they will put thier foot down to stop this.
I really hope I'm wrong. I'd rather never set foot in an MRJ cockpit than to see UAL, AA, DAL pilots sell any scope. And if they do, I really hope it's only mtow, NOT more seats, too.
I really hope I'm wrong. I'd rather never set foot in an MRJ cockpit than to see UAL, AA, DAL pilots sell any scope. And if they do, I really hope it's only mtow, NOT more seats, too.
The other consideration is that they need the relief now. Orders need to be placed, plans made and slots procured. Contracts are amended all the time. No one is discussing this change.
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