Doubling the MRJ order???
02-19-2018 | 04:27 PM
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Everyone predicted the pilot groups would yield on scope in the last round of contract negotiations. These aircraft were conceived along with the New version of the E175 with that premise in mind. Everyone was wrong. Much of the gains on scope made by the airlines were based on the premise the feed would increase mainline jobs. CEO’s also repeatadly promised that flying would return to the mainline when times got better. In fact neither happened. I suspect not 1 pound and not 1 seat will continue into the next round of contracts.
The other consideration is that they need the relief now. Orders need to be placed, plans made and slots procured. Contracts are amended all the time. No one is discussing this change.
The other consideration is that they need the relief now. Orders need to be placed, plans made and slots procured. Contracts are amended all the time. No one is discussing this change.
They didn’t yield because management weren’t that serious on pursuing the scope relief. There is no MRJ available and there is no version 2 E175 either. I guarantee you once these planes are ready to go management will do anything and will get them on property, preferably at the regionals of course. These planes are the future. Who gets to fly them is just a matter of how much it costs to buy out mainline guys. Anyone who says they’ll turn down more $$$ for the greater good is full of crap.
02-19-2018 | 05:17 PM
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Possibly there could be a deal reached if there was a large reduction
in the numbers of RJ's. Trade 3k lbs for 100 less RJ airframes???
That would mean more mainline jobs and fewer RJ's and new next
gen RJ's for mgt.
in the numbers of RJ's. Trade 3k lbs for 100 less RJ airframes???
That would mean more mainline jobs and fewer RJ's and new next
gen RJ's for mgt.
02-20-2018 | 03:26 AM
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They didn’t yield because management weren’t that serious on pursuing the scope relief. There is no MRJ available and there is no version 2 E175 either. I guarantee you once these planes are ready to go management will do anything and will get them on property, preferably at the regionals of course. These planes are the future. Who gets to fly them is just a matter of how much it costs to buy out mainline guys. Anyone who says they’ll turn down more $$$ for the greater good is full of crap.
02-20-2018 | 07:57 AM
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It doesn’t matter if it was promised, they’re not going to pull the trigger unless it’s certified and ready. The E175 2 was scheduled for 2020, well after contract talks. Plus if you say you want it in house then why didn’t you guys already work out a deal for them???
02-20-2018 | 10:21 AM
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It doesn’t matter if it was promised, they’re not going to pull the trigger unless it’s certified and ready. The E175 2 was scheduled for 2020, well after contract talks. Plus if you say you want it in house then why didn’t you guys already work out a deal for them???
http://aviationweek.com/airline-flee...0-scope-relief
02-20-2018 | 11:03 AM
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We have worked out a deal for in-house. It’s called the CS100. We have also had a E190 payrate in our contract for years. You seemed confused however on aircraft purchases. Management buys aircraft not unions. Had we allowed the MRJ or other aircraft we would not have the 717 and soon CS100 on the property and several thousand pilots who have moved up to Delta would still be at the regionals.
Manufacturers Not Expecting E175-E2, MRJ90 Scope Relief | Crossover Narrowbody Jets content from Aviation Week
Manufacturers Not Expecting E175-E2, MRJ90 Scope Relief | Crossover Narrowbody Jets content from Aviation Week
other way around. Stop taking credit. All you did was say no to bigger than current RJ's. The day you stop regional feed is the day
Southwest takes you behind the woodshed.
02-20-2018 | 11:15 AM
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Had we allowed the newer versions of those aircraft the company would have gone that route rather than purchase a 100 seater. In fact UAL is trying to convince their pilots to allow more capable regional jets and canceled their small jet program at the mainline.
02-20-2018 | 12:54 PM
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The problem is the regionals are not reliable nor highly rated by the
customer. Mainlines want to keep them happy and paying a premium for mainline metrics. If regionals consistently performed as good as mainline for 1/2 - 2/3 the cost mgt would be happy and not trying
to up-guage. But they're not.
02-20-2018 | 03:07 PM
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They can buy e-175's not the e2 version. They can also buy the MRJ70.
The problem is the regionals are not reliable nor highly rated by the
customer. Mainlines want to keep them happy and paying a premium for mainline metrics. If regionals consistently performed as good as mainline for 1/2 - 2/3 the cost mgt would be happy and not trying
to up-guage. But they're not.
The problem is the regionals are not reliable nor highly rated by the
customer. Mainlines want to keep them happy and paying a premium for mainline metrics. If regionals consistently performed as good as mainline for 1/2 - 2/3 the cost mgt would be happy and not trying
to up-guage. But they're not.
02-20-2018 | 06:44 PM
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