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Old 02-24-2018, 06:08 AM
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Let's just hope you and your buddies at Delta can back up your big talk.
These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?
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Old 02-24-2018, 06:27 AM
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These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?
So you're saying mainline is gonna vote to relax scope? With a serious face?
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Old 02-24-2018, 06:35 AM
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These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?
Can you provide specific contracts were pilots received raises for scope concessions? In most contracts scope is settled after pay.
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Old 02-24-2018, 06:50 AM
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Seems like it would be a good time to allow an 89K RJ but reduce
the quantity by 30-50%???
Horrible idea. Not one more pound. Once the more capable aircraft is operating at a sub-contractor it'll be far too easy for them to seek expanded quantity in a future downturn. If the heavier airplane is needed by network to fill a market niche it can be operated by mainline pilots. The regional hunger-games must end.
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Old 02-24-2018, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Redbird611 View Post
Horrible idea. Not one more pound. Once the more capable aircraft is operating at a sub-contractor it'll be far too easy for them to seek expanded quantity in a future downturn. If the heavier airplane is needed by network to fill a market niche it can be operated by mainline pilots. The regional hunger-games must end.
I didn’t see weight increases as a more capable aircraft just a more efficient one “geared engines”. You major guys hold the cards saying not one more pound is not the answer . How about payscales that compete with top regional pay. Make it pointless for regionals to exist??
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Originally Posted by Redbird611 View Post
Horrible idea. Not one more pound. Once the more capable aircraft is operating at a sub-contractor it'll be far too easy for them to seek expanded quantity in a future downturn. If the heavier airplane is needed by network to fill a market niche it can be operated by mainline pilots. The regional hunger-games must end.
It’s not going to end. Without regional feed, half your 737 would be empty. You see the problem?
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Old 02-24-2018, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga View Post
These two guys might vote no but most of their buddies will vote it in for more $$$. Looking back at history nobody has turned down money for the greater good below them if the circumstance was right. These planes are coming, question is would they actually fly them?
The majority of the pilots at mainline now have personally experienced the downside to relaxing scope. There were many at the time that did not think it would affect them personally, and then the furloughs came. Now they are hungry for the pilot positions and see value in people below them. That isn't just a greater good issue, it's a good for the individual issue as well.
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Old 02-24-2018, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 View Post
It’s not going to end. Without regional feed, half your 737 would be empty. You see the problem?
Worked fine before subcontractors came along. Without the regional served ROUTES you may be right, but it doesn't have to be a regional feeder to fly them.

With regional pay rising, the cost differential between an RJ operator flying a route and mainline flying it. Add in more efficient aircraft that are too heavy for scope and the costs narrow even further. A few pounds in this case is a big deal, and it could be very good for the industry overall.
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 View Post
It’s not going to end. Without regional feed, half your 737 would be empty. You see the problem?
Not if you are providing that feed yourself. You also might look at the total number of passengers fed to the mainline. If we allow aircraft with these capabilities they are no longer providing feed, they are replaning mainline lift. Thankfully mainline scope also contains restrictions on both distance and hub to hub flights.
I can assure you if Delta gets the ability to outsource the MRJ-90 we can kiss the 717’s goodbye when the leases are up.
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Not if you are providing that feed yourself. You also might look at the total number of passengers fed to the mainline. If we allow aircraft with these capabilities they are no longer providing feed, they are replaning mainline lift. Thankfully mainline scope also contains restrictions on both distance and hub to hub flights.
I can assure you if Delta gets the ability to outsource the MRJ-90 we can kiss the 717’s goodbye when the leases are up.
Way off l think.
The CS100 and 300 will replace the 717. The MRJ 70 and 90 would replace the CRJ700 and 900 along with the EMB 170 and
175.
If you could exchange Wt for number of MRJ’s. Seems like a compromise could be made.
Right now around 325 69-76 seaters. Why not try to reduce that number to around 200 Or so. I seriously doubt Mgt would
Go for it though.
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