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02-24-2015 | 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EV120

E-170 was a mainline plane(Mid-Atlantic)before Airways sold them off.

Mainline pilots have a bad history of selling scope for preservation

The "New American" just got their contract. Looks like the MRJ is outside the scope.. Thank God!
But now comes Delta.
Will Delta Management want something to keep Profit Sharing for the pilots?
Will they ask/demand for the MRj to be flown with 88 seats total (giving it a Business First/EconPlus/Economy seating) at the regionals?

Time will tell. Delta is the next showdown~
BUT
Don't rule out the "other" players. Virgin America? JetBlue? Alaska?

On a side note-
That plane was built by Asians for Asians. Can't wait to see how Americans and The West fits into it!

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02-24-2015 | 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pete2800

...A mainline aircraft is just that. An aircraft operated by mainline. At present, the smallest of which seems to be the 737/319/E190/MD80 types. The moment a mainline carrier buys a new type, it's a mainline aircraft. What we have at present is a bunch of mainline routes being flown by regional pilots in aircraft operated by regionals. There's nothing preventing a mainline carrier from purchasing some E175's or CRJ's and operating them with mainline pilots.

You do know who's actually buying these planes right? They are mainline planes being flown by regional pilots.

The regional airline system is a massive B scale for the mainlines. The more they can get away with it the more they will push it.

02-24-2015 | 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by etflies

Please stay strong on scope, and encourage your fellow pilots to do the same then. Most of us here in the minor leagues want to see you guys doing as much flying as possible.

Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way. The unions no longer work for the pilots.

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If it were feasible to get hired at a major and skip the regional game we would. For many of us this is the best way to get competitive and move on to a career type carrier. Essentially saying "don't work for that kind of pay" is akin to us saying "don't vote away scope." Easier said than done.

Well of course it would take either every single pilot simply refusing to accept jobs at regionals which will never happen or it will take the unions making a stand and refusing to allow mainline to hire any pilots that ever work for a regional... also something that will never happen.

The best way to get rid of the B scale model for mainline that the regionals have become is to get rid of the enabler which is seniority. Kill the underlying system and you kill the business model.

How to go about doing that? It would take a concerted effort from the regional airline pilots to take control of their own unions back from the mainline and management.

02-24-2015 | 04:44 PM

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Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way. The unions no longer work for the pilots.

Well of course it would take either every single pilot simply refusing to accept jobs at regionals which will never happen or it will take the unions making a stand and refusing to allow mainline to hire any pilots that ever work for a regional... also something that will never happen.

The best way to get rid of the B scale model for mainline that the regionals have become is to get rid of the enabler which is seniority. Kill the underlying system and you kill the business model.

How to go about doing that? It would take a concerted effort from the regional airline pilots to take control of their own unions back from the mainline and management.

At which mainline airlines do the unions do the hiring?

02-24-2015 | 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate

It is called demand and load factors. In fact, SkyWest is doing those two routes "at risk" with no guarantee of revenue. So yea, greaaaaat markets for a 717....

I understand demand and load factors, however, you have me with this market as I don't operate up there.

In general, there are several markets that could be up-gauged but major airlines may not have the fleet type to do it, and that is slowly changing.

02-24-2015 | 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NineGturn

The best way to get rid of the B scale model for mainline that the regionals have become is to get rid of the enabler which is seniority. Kill the underlying system and you kill the business model.

How to go about doing that? It would take a concerted effort from the regional airline pilots to take control of their own unions back from the mainline and management.

That's easy, just get regional pilots to care enough to dump ALPA. Regional pilot are only concerned with complaining. Actually doing something about something is a completely different story.

02-24-2015 | 07:53 PM

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That's easy, just get regional pilots to care enough to dump ALPA. Regional pilot are only concerned with complaining. Actually doing something about something is a completely different story.

And just what would that accomplish?