Do you really think if this JPWA was negotiated with oil on its way down, that the terms would be the same as they are right now?

Mgmt cannot afford a USAir scenario. We MUST take a risk to get it back.

Some "yes" voters talk of telling "No" voters, "I told you so."

I think we'll have more "No" voters saying that very thing to the "yes" guys in a few months if this thing passes.

 

I think that many of our fellow brothers cannot for the life of them accept the fact that our MEC is actually negotiating in OUR best interest. Not theirs. They are not trying to get management jobs, etc. Fact is RA wants pilots to do what pilots do and that is fly airplanes. He is making a fairly big effort to get pilots that are in non-essential management positions back to the line.
They have seen it, some of us have seen part of it.
I think that our LEC's and MEC could have done a better job of presenting the facts, but I believe it is a case of when you see the whole picture it is kind of hard to realize that other have not. I think the "Hey idiot," look on their faces when discussing this with the rank-and-file, comes from the fact that they can see the down side, where many of us cannot hear nor read between the lines.

 

OK, I understand that. But how can a contract that was negotiated when oil was skyrocketing, be a good idea now that oil is falling? The climate has changed, and mgmt still needs us on board to maximize the value of their stock options.

They cannot afford to have a USAir scenario any more than we can.

We simply MUST take the risk to raise the bar.

 

They will not risk it, they have LOA 19 Spiff.
They know that once beaten enough we will give in. (See past performance)
Fact is that most of the past PWA's and LOA's have been agreed to fairly close to where the company's starting position was. It just took the DAL MEC years and years with out the wage an benefit gains to realize it.
Point is that I will bet money on the fact that what you see is the best you are going to get for some time.
We have a lot of money we are going to need to spend in the next five years here at DAL. Some of the 50 billion will be new planes, new terminals is JFK (300-400 million min), Terminal F in ATL (close to 100 million), merging costs (which have been grossly underestimated), and replacing a fleet where the efficient domestic jets are 8-25 years old.
That is a lot of money. DAL management knows that the money needs to be spent. The MEC's know it too. This is about creating a global power house. That takes time and understanding. Bitting at their heels and keeping our company away from making the money to pay for this and our future wages is one sure fire way to make all of this one long and painful process.

 

BINGO!! !

 

None of those expenditures will be worth a damn without a "yes" vote from DAL pilots at some point. This is not, and should not, be that point.

 

SP 92, we know you are working overtime to get DAL pilots to approve this and give you a windfall. Please let the DAL pilots sort this out for ourselves.

Please feel free to sit on the sidelines on this topic.

 

The point is they have you locked in on LOA 19 if you vote NO. They dont have to negotiate any further with DALPA. However they will have to negotiate with NWALPA because of our Scope. DAL mgmt knows they dont have to give more because you guys signed LOA 19 and thus locked yourselves in a box without the JCBA.

 

I havent been on here much lately because its mostly the same old junk over and over. And feel free to point me out when your Colleague's are the making the arguments and i just agreed with them. Man up and quit pointing fingers at me when someone else made the argument, thanks again for your contributions

Feel free to keep shaking your magic eight ball for your answers.

 

yes. we are locked into LOA 19 (which you strenuously objected when it was passed, and now is suddenly your best friend) with or without a JCBA. Why would we want to rush into and identical deal?? If we're screwed either way, let's take the risk and try for something better.