IBT wins Representation election at Republic
06-27-2011 | 01:41 PM
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Hopefully we can work out an equitable arrangement with the EXCO.
06-27-2011 | 01:44 PM
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Frontier pilots, welcome to IBT. It will be as good as we collectively want to make it. For the pilot posting under the RPC tag, there's no productive point in spinning the results one way or another... it's not like it came down to a hanging chad. Let's move forward. I think it's safe to say that, aside from the standard fringe 2% or so of any pilot group, the Embraer pilots are as interested in improvements in pay, work rules and QOL across the board as the Airbus and Q-400 pilots, so that this place becomes a career worthy of our time and efforts.
Again, welcome.
Again, welcome.
06-27-2011 | 01:47 PM
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Congrats to the IBT! They will need the support of the entire pilot group, to get a decent contract from BB. No doubt BB has been using this to distract from section 6 negotiations, and now it’s time to go after him for the contract you guys deserve! What percentage of RAH pilots voted?
06-27-2011 | 02:16 PM
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So you are celebrating a win and defending a group that you hated (up until recently) and that has a history of doing nothing? Wow! Good luck and keep supporting them as you move forward into more of the same. Congrats on the victory.
06-27-2011 | 02:23 PM
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From: Eff Oh Won Fo Fife
I truly hope that the F9 pilots have an equal say relative to the RAH pilots in some fashion. The good thing about the RPC concept is that it provided equal advocacy at the council level, and relative percentage representation at the voting level.
Hopefully we can work out an equitable arrangement with the EXCO.
Hopefully we can work out an equitable arrangement with the EXCO.
Adding the fact that we would have to start hiring arbitrators (or whatever "mutually agreeable resolution process") just to get anything done between the two unions doesn't sound like one union. Sounds like dealing with the company.
Originally Posted by RPC Resolution
8. Any dispute regarding the interpretation and application of this Resolution between the Frontier and Republic members of the COUNCIL which cannot be resolved by the COUNCIL shall be referred to the Frontier and Republic Co-Chairmen of the COUNCIL, or their respective designees, for resolution. If the dispute cannot be resolved by the Co-Chairman, the Co-Chairman of the Council shall determine a mutually agreeable resolution process.
06-27-2011 | 02:51 PM
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06-27-2011 | 04:08 PM
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It's not spin, it's my opinion.
But, to continue your analogy, currently we have a Republican controlled Congress and a Democratic controlled Senate. How effective have they been in the last year? Why would I want to support a system that is going to be just as dysfunctional and spend a ton of cash on a Legislative branch (or in this case, arbitrators). This would have, in effect made RPC an combination of FAPA pilots, FFD pilots, and arbitrators on permanent retainer.
And again, completely my opinion, but for FAPA to attempt to create RPC and at the same time file a lawsuit to nullify the IMSL didn't really instill a lot of trust from our pilot group.
06-27-2011 | 04:14 PM
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It's not spin, it's my opinion.
But, to continue your analogy, currently we have a Republican controlled Congress and a Democratic controlled Senate. How effective have they been in the last year? Why would I want to support a system that is going to be just as dysfunctional and spend a ton of cash on a Legislative branch (or in this case, arbitrators). This would have, in effect made RPC an combination of FAPA pilots, FFD pilots, and arbitrators on permanent retainer.
And again, completely my opinion, but for FAPA to attempt to create RPC and at the same time file a lawsuit to nullify the IMSL didn't really instill a lot of trust from our pilot group.
But, to continue your analogy, currently we have a Republican controlled Congress and a Democratic controlled Senate. How effective have they been in the last year? Why would I want to support a system that is going to be just as dysfunctional and spend a ton of cash on a Legislative branch (or in this case, arbitrators). This would have, in effect made RPC an combination of FAPA pilots, FFD pilots, and arbitrators on permanent retainer.
And again, completely my opinion, but for FAPA to attempt to create RPC and at the same time file a lawsuit to nullify the IMSL didn't really instill a lot of trust from our pilot group.
But like I said, that wasn't my analogy. My point is that the logical extension of your argument is that the congress isn't fair to states like California and New York. Rolling F9 into RAH isn't fair to the F9 guys, unless you can explain how we would reasonably end up with ANY representation on the EXCO.
06-27-2011 | 04:28 PM
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Just registered to say as a Frontier pilot I'm not interested in Teamsters or being represented by a bunch of commuter pilots, furthermore no RAH or Teamsters crew members will occupy my jumpseats. If by any chance you are released and actually strike, I'll continue to fly and will not respect your picket lines. I do expect for the union representation I actually voted for to continue to expend all FAPA funds necessary to fight this and to return all funds to the current FAPA membership if necessary to keep them out of Teamsters hands. If this is not plain enough let me elaborate, I will not support Teamsters in any fashion or manner.
06-27-2011 | 04:32 PM
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From: B-73N FO
Just registered to say as a Frontier pilot I'm not interested in Teamsters or being represented by a bunch of commuter pilots, furthermore no RAH or Teamsters crew members will occupy my jumpseats. If by any chance you are released and actually strike, I'll continue to fly and will not respect your picket lines. I do expect for the union representation I actually voted for to continue to expend all FAPA funds necessary to fight this and to return all funds to the current FAPA membership if necessary to keep them out of Teamsters hands. If this is not plain enough let me elaborate, I will not support Teamsters in any fashion or manner.
So you plan to start a jumpseat war and declare that you will be a SCAB...I understand that there is emotion tied to today's announcment...but really? I know that you are part of the 2% but man I hope cooler heads will prevail.
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