What did ALPA do for NK recently?


** After FOUR YEARS of bargaining, the CBA was finally resolved by a former flight attendant, turned NMB member. Per the arm-twisting road show, the ALPA attorney was told by the NMB member that she got every penny out of the company that they were going to give. Since when does the referee get involved in playing the game?


** ALPA removed premium pay for overtime, in favor of a small hourly rate increase. (BTW, NK Captains’ pay scale WENT DOWN compared to the company’s last offer PRE-STRIKE. That’s right, the captain pay scale WENT DOWN during the strike).


** Removed a hard 10% requirement for reserve coverage for trip drops / vacation in favor of a system where the min coverage is set by the company per day / per seat / per base, solely at the discretion of the Company.



** ALPA did not even attempt to secure stock / options / ESOP (against the will of the pilot group) based on THEIR definitive belief “THIS COMPANY WILL NEVER IPO”


** The ALPA reps, during the road show intentionally mislead their constituents. One example: they paraded a couple pro-ALPA B6 guys in, to give a ‘the grass isn’t greener’ speech to the group. They then asked the B6 guys slanted questions regarding the B6 401K, making it sound like NK’s retirement plan was far superior. Only problem was they neglected to inform the NK audience that B6 also has a bonus and ESOP that, when included to the retirement picture, blows NK’s plan out of the water.

**NK did get marginally better transition language which is just now being implemented after a nine month arbitration process.

All this "help" only costs 1.97%!

 

If I was at AirTran I would have voted ALPA in as well...they were treated and abused like a red headed step child. I have many friends there and that was a good move for them I believe. We aren't even close to being treated like they were. As far as FedEx, they left ALPA once before and yes they voted them back in. I look at FedEx as an exception. The pilot/managment relationship at AA will never in a hundred years work together. They have nothing to loose by soliciting the help of ALPA. SWA has definitely set a high bar. True other airlines have fallen back, SWA have had continued raises that has pushed them to new levels as well as ahead of other airlines. They used to be one of the lowest, they are now one of the highest paid for 737 pilots.

 

You are dreaming windrider, ALPA had over 70% interest cards. Nice try BoB ! (Band of Blue, same guys that were opposed to our in-house union attempt in 2008)

 

The legislation states several times that the two groups being merged have to be represented "collectively." Although just semantics we at jetblue are not represented "collectively", in fact the company sees us as 2300 independent contractors. They are in court right now on another matter specifically stating that we are not represented "collectively." So what happens if a merger happens. Well with out ALPA some here at jetblue would say we are covered by McCaskill-Bond right? Then the other company's union lawyer will say, "Hey your own company is in court arguing you aren't represented "collectively" so McCaskill-Bond doesn't apply. Off to arbitration it goes and each JB pilot will have to come up with money on their own to hire a Lawyer and fight for a fair integration. That's not a risk I am willing to take. An independent union would be nice but it was voted down last time, it would be very costly to start, and for every Southwest success story there is a FedEx or Airtran whose in house unions were voted out fairly quickly. BTW SWAPA was almost fully funded by SWA management when it was founded, does anyone think that JetBlue's management would do the same?

All this is IF a merger might happen. But IF I get in a car accident I have insurance, IF I get sick I have Insurance. I simply look at my yes vote as insurance on my future.

 

Superduck...interest cards are just that...interest. Means that people are interested in hearing what they have to say. Hell..I'm interested to hear what they have to say but that doesn't mean I'm voting for them. As a matter of fact, I've not heard one thing about what they have to say. I have however heard what our Pro-ALPA pilots here have to say...but not ALPA. The only thing that matters is a vote during the election. And fyi...I wasn't here in 08.

 

ALPA = Insurance??? You gotta be kiddin me...you are better off with AFLAC.

 

Enough said. Let's see where you stand in a few years.

 

Don't let facts get in the way of their emotional responses. We are talking direct relationship vs representation. Go ahead, cut off your nose to spite your face.

 

This is quite possibly the worst post I've ever read online.


JJ

 

over and out...i've said all i want to say about it. guess we'll see what the majority wants and if that's what they want then i would love to be proved wrong on my positions.